Biological SEX MATTERS. How many mumsnetters say "aye" to this campaign?

[SexMatters]

This document and campaign called 'Sex Matters' is a collaborative effort by amazing and knowledgeable mumsnetters on a couple of threads in FWR.

To move forward with the campaign, the organisations and individuals approached will need to know who is behind it, and the honest truth, is that mumsnetters have spearheaded it.

That does not mean that other campaigners can't get involved or even take greater ownership of it. But it needs a bio in order to introduce it to people and organisations to get started and I need your consent to describe the campaign this way: 'mumsnetter led' (and maybe even some suggestions for writing a bio on this thread).

So, you amazing gender-critical mumsnetters, do you say 'aye'?

A thought-provoking document - thank you for sharing.

A point of accuracy for correction on page 4, please: Girl Guides have NOT become unisex (or "removed the right for parents to choose single sex groups for their children"). See www.girlguiding.org.uk/about-us/what-makes-guiding-special/our-mission/

Scouts is unisex, but that's a different organisation. Boys Brigade and Girls Brigade are also single sex organisations.

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Nope. Scaremongering drivel.

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And can I just add it's not just about women. My DF has just died and he spent the last couple of weeks in hospital having to have bed baths etc, he would have absolutely hated it if they hadn't been able to provide biologically male nurses to do it.

Aye - on behalf of my DDs and mother and all females who deserve their rights being protected

Aye here too! Thanks.

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Missymousey. It has - you cant guarantee your girl isn't going on pack holiday with someone with a penis. Guides made the decision to accept boys identifying as girls which means one very safe space is no longer.

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Aye! Not scaremongering at all.

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It's a no from me. I don't see how this could sit nicely with things like Toys will be Toys. The message of 'everyone's the same, sex has no role in what you can play with, and therefore what you can do' doesn't, for me, sit alongside 'women are women and men are men and these things/places are for one sex only.'

I appreciate it is a lot more complicated than that, and it is something I want to work out, and engage in balanced discussion on, but I don't think MN is the place for me to find that balanced discussion, and I don't know where is, as there are very passionate voices on both sides of the topic, and every time I've seen it discussed it's become a war of the more passionate voices, and there's no room for actual conversation.

I would not support the document though. I think segregation of any sort is a negative thing and we should be working to get rid of it not re-introduce it.

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missymousy, Girl Guiding allows biological males as girl guides and biological males can fulfil any of the leader roles. It is no longer single-sex.

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StickStickStickStick how sad that you believe the presence of a penis should mean that girls are unsafe. I don't want girls to grow up in a world where we teach them that is the case.

Thanks to all those who say aye and also thanks to those like blue and missy for taking the time to explain your opposition to it. It is appreciated.

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Gender is bollocks (so let toys be toys) but biological sex is real and has real implications for privacy, dignity and safety.

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I have 2 DDs, one of whom spent some of her childhood in a women's refuge. If they ever need a refuge, or intimate examinations, or go on a school trip, I want them to be able to request a biological female or be in single sex rooms.

I don't think being against gender stereotyping (Toys are Toys) is in any way in conflict with saying that sometimes the sex of a person matters and that safe single-sex spaces are needed.

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