Biological SEX MATTERS. How many mumsnetters say "aye" to this campaign?

[SexMatters]

This document and campaign called 'Sex Matters' is a collaborative effort by amazing and knowledgeable mumsnetters on a couple of threads in FWR.

To move forward with the campaign, the organisations and individuals approached will need to know who is behind it, and the honest truth, is that mumsnetters have spearheaded it.

That does not mean that other campaigners can't get involved or even take greater ownership of it. But it needs a bio in order to introduce it to people and organisations to get started and I need your consent to describe the campaign this way: 'mumsnetter led' (and maybe even some suggestions for writing a bio on this thread).

So, you amazing gender-critical mumsnetters, do you say 'aye'?

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Aye and thank you to those who spent their time producing this.

Thank you everyone!
Time to dive back into the thread to read comments and suggestions and digest them

Aye, and thank you

To the point about the header under the title on the front page - I don't want to put it as 'provision and services' there since it drastically reduces the scope of what the demand is- this is more than just businesses and services, this is about there right to have the distinction between male and female at all -so think it is best to keep it as 'single sex' on its own there at the front.

I am changing the next part to:

This campaign is for the right and freedom to choose.
To have the category, choice and provision for single sex.
To not have that right taken away as part of universal unisex inclusion.

This will include things like data gathering as well as services, etc.

You must be exhausted, with all the work you’re putting into this. Thank you. 🌷

Probably not right place on this thread, but just posted on autism trans thread here.

I am happy with unisex provision, but I don't think that means male and female segregation is removed. It's an extra.

I've been reading into the autism sense of not belonging and how they are disproportionately represented in trans debate. Girls with autism often have what is said to be a male brain or male way of thinking, this doesn't stop them being female. The 'feeling' or 'thinking' doesn't make you a particular sex - the ovaries/ testes decide that for you.

I think in the past such 'feeling' has had too much attributed to it and the idea that an operation will change your sex will solve it.

I hope in the future there will be a third option provided in law and defined - not that an operation changes your sex from a man to a woman, for example.

I hope law will catch up and define that you were male at birth and self identify/had an op and wish to be known as a woman. Doesn't make you a woman. It needs a different legal definition and doesn't mean access to women only areas etc.

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Clumsy phrasing there - I do fully support a man's decision to 'feel', 'live' like a woman and accept it may solve all his problem. However, doesn't mean he has become a woman.

Needs a different definition - seems unlikely now, but same sex marriage seemed far fetched once, so defining as a third sex ie someone that 'feels' they are in the wrong sex is in fact something in its own right.

Nothing's changed and people always felt this way, but wasn't spoken of. Now it is going mainstream the vocabulary/definitions need to be created.

The public acceptance of trans doesn't mean women have to accept males (definition being born male) moving into their defined public or private spaces : extra and separate provision is the answer.

The unisex can be used by anyone transitioning/self ID and anyone that wants to use it in fact - a choice gained, not a choice removed from women as currently heading towards.

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But the TRA's do not want seperate provision or 3rd spaces, they WANT to have access to woman only spaces to validate themselves.

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But the TRA's do not want seperate provision or 3rd spaces, they WANT to have access to woman only spaces to validate themselves.

Exactly that!
(it's 'separate' BTW) :)

Yes I know they do - that's why I'm proposing the much more sensible solution of an "extra" provision and vocabulary and legal definitions play catch up. Frankly it is rather old fashioned idea that chopping off a penis or adding some implants changes you from male to female. It's daft and simpleton thinking.

As per my autism link - lots of autistic females don't feel "female", but they are. The brain's thinking doesn't make you one sex or the other - your sex organs at birth decide that.

Trans are now recognised and require/deserve their own definition - they don't become a different sex by self ID or by chopping/adding secondary sexual characteristics.

The primary sex characteristic of ovaries/testes at birth define male - female - then in life you can select a third legally defined option if you wish. It won't make you the opposite sex though and you don't just get to swan into female changing room because you "feel" you are female.