The Labour Party continues to troll women

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The latest addition to a Labour LGBT+ advisory board has been announced. I think we safely say the party has made its position clear on trans issues

twitter.com/MunroeBergdorf/status/968232769884180480?

Bergdorf's position on this doesn't mean they think every white person is bad or interfere with their willingness to engage with white people.

Bergdorf specifically said in that diatribe that a white rough sleeper was privileged over upper class black men such as Chiwetel Ejiofor.

This is such arrant nonsense that it renders everything else Bergdorf has to say about race suspect. There are plenty of excellent commentators on race who actually understand the power relations analysis required by intersectionality and who include class in their thinking so that it has some actual relation to the real world. I'd seek them out and listen to them instead. (Try Akala or Claire Heuchan.)

It's great to be willing to be challenged on one's unconscious racism. But there is no point listening to idiots who say offensive things about rough sleepers, women, and any other group whose disadvantage doesn't enable them personally to claim the "most oppressed" label.

Combined with that one where the horrible little boy kept turning people who made him angry by disagreeing with him into jack in the boxes and all the adults were tiptoeing around trying not to set him off.

I thought they had recently said that the youthquake didn't happen.
I refused to vote at the GE, I will not vote Labour whilst Corbyn is in charge.
A few people I know who voted Labour, as a last minute decision, one wanted the 30 hours a week childcare Labour was offering, and a few wealthy pensioners who didn't want to loose their winter heating allowance.

SuburbanRhonda
you'll do super good I think I'll save that one for when they come round canvassing even though it will sound bloody stupid coming from someone as old as me

I'm still not totally convinced that we're not all stuck in a Twilight Zone episode.

The husband was saying this the other day. What's the logical end point?

We all come to our senses. Phew. But it's not looking particularly likely any time soon!

We end up in some weird dystopia taken from YA fiction or sci fi and all the posh people are body-hacked Effie Trinkets from the Hunger Games or the Meths from Altered Carbon, while the rest of us just toil away in grimness. Er... oh dear.

The Chinese hurry up with their turn at world domination and we just do what they say.

Outcome uncertain.

This is absolutely bizarre.

I can't fathom a political party wanting to associate themselves with someone so controversial. They are actually trolling. This feels like it can't be real.

order agree it is like stockholm syndrome with a lot of women, myself too until relatively recently.

This really does come across as deliberate trolling, as in they've noticed how angry a lot of women are about the way they're handling trans issues and their response is a giant middle finger shoved in our faces.

This time will be a to future generations and a to those who fell for it.

It's quite the sight, watching the first hard left leader Labour has had since Michael Foot transforming the party into a bourgeois liberal outfit tailoring policies for the middle class student vote.

^^this. This.

I've been trying to say this. Langcleg can I borrow your brain?

Yes little boys, you bullied your way into power and it's all yours, for now!

I've been trying to explain this to DH (who's not British) and keep getting stuck on the "why would a 70 year old leftist pretend not to know what a woman is?" part. Obviously most of it is an attempt to win the right on student vote, but how can he bear to do it? Does he have no principles at all? Does the "this is fucking nonsense and I'm going to say so" tendency not kick in at some point?

I know. What the fuck happened to the Labour Party being about trying to help poor people, working people?

Not middle class, white, women hating males with mummy issues

They have lost the fucking plot

I've been trying to say this. Langcleg can I borrow your brain?

LOL! It's quite confused in here, I can tell you. But it's true - why on earth all the newspapers are still banging on about commies under the Corbyn bed when he's actually reshaping the party to be the best thing the middle classes have ever seen, I can't imagine. It's hard to manage to cut through the bullshit and actually see what's happening.

On the Bergdorf thing - I think Kittens is right. Labour is deliberately putting a great big middle finger in the faces of all the uppity witches women. That's one characteristic of the hard left the party is actually holding onto.

No! the boys have Daddy issues and self hatred they project onto women, not Mummy issues. Power and control is young stuff, very immature, they need to grow up and stop having toddler tantrums. The adults need to stop being scared.

lang thanks for the info I had no idea they said that as well. I wonder what they would say about the abuse scandals in Newcastle and Rotherham etc.

Is there a credible theory that the different axes of oppression are in hierarchy? eg perhaps people would give more money to female rough sleepers (theoretically) because they find them less threatening, but that doesn't negate male privilege.

Well I guess it makes sense they are just appropriating a line of thought for their own self promotion. I will have a look at your recommendations. I think if this whole issue has done one thing for me it is to make me want to explore my own and society's unconscious biases. Actually another thing it has done is to make me aware of the fierce female intelligence to be found here. I had stupidly, (and with misogyny! ) assumed I would not be interested in a site called Mumsnet. How very wrong I was!

Apparently the worst thing that can happen to a man under patriarchy is to lose his masculinity.

I think everyone (secretly) sees TIMs as being catastrophically wounded by their failure to live up to the ideals of manhood. That's why everyone's tiptoeing around them, worried they'll harm themselves and horrified by women who don't eagerly welcome them into a delusion that will make everything seem OK.

Feminists don't really get this because we never bought into the masculinity ideal in the first place so we can't understand why everyone's got themselves into such a flap over it. Could that be it?

i sometimes feel like "woman" is viewed as a bucket into which one can chuck anything be it uninvited dicks or men who are not stereotypically male enough. sometimes the bucket is prized and prized buckets can feel quite good about that for a while. but a bucket is still a fucking bucket; a tool or receptacle, defined by its relationship to the men that use it.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain

It could be.

For me, it's about the truth. I can see people telling lies to TIM's, kids, themselves and each other. I am mainly horrified, disgusted and a little amused at their behaviour.

A clean out of every politician that let this shit show happen, will be required, so society can say it can never happen again. If the adults don't step in, a different gang of toddlers will have a tantrum and kick the lot of em to Fuck.

LM really does have the confidence of a mediocre white man.

Honestly though the thing I get most upset is the fucking block button. It's pathetic for an elected member of a political party to be blocking people for disagreeing. He actually openly supports no platforming.

Madigan is claiming that those screenshots have been edited and originally said that women’s rights and trans rights were not mutually exclusive but the nasty terfs are trying to frame him.

I agree that he didn’t understand what the phrase meant initially but how embarrassing to have a major political party championing someone who is clearly as thick as mince just to curry favor with the youth vote.

I see this appointment as such a wasted opportunity. They could have got in a trans man (heaven forbid a biological woman get the gig) or trans woman who is actually aware of their biology, of reality, of the tyranny of gender stereotypes. I absolutely believe that a man dressed in stereotypically feminine attire will get a harder time than a man who wears a suit and has short hair. I believe there is a need to change those attitudes. In different hands, the trans narrative could have been a stepping stone to rejecting gender roles. Instead it's become a faith movement that operates by shouting 'bigot' at anyone who doesn't convert.

But the role is to advise on issues affecting LGBT+, not women

LGBT+ nowadays translates into trans. It doesn't give a flying fuck about lesbians.

If Madigan wants to debunk that, all Madigan has to say is that they recognise women's need to have spaces without willies on because of biology, religion and the mental health needs of vulnerable women.

Given that Madigan has already said that Muslim women must be 'educated' to accept willies, I don't think we'll get that somehow.

Madigan just doesn't like it being spelt out that they are a Men's Right Activist championing the expansion of where willies are allowed to go and its got fuck all to do with 'intersectional feminism'.

Looking at the Big Brother winner, this appointment and incidents like the HT story time. I think porn has messed with men big time, capitalism wrecked them in the end. I wonder if they have been programmed to get a hard on for a parody of woman and that's in part behind why they think a transwoman is a woman, the less porn soaked the man, the less he believes it.