Evidence of misandry on Feminist chat.

[UpstartCrow]

The last few days, there have been several claims of misandry on Feminist Chat. Please post examples here using a link and screen shot.

Thank you.

It is a bit disingenuous to start a thread about misandry shortly after an apparent troll posted something outrageous about boys (I didn't see the thread in question though).
I am a bit sceptical of OPs motivation

I thought upstart wanted examples of misandry

I can't work out what upstart wants from this thread.

I think upstart is rightly annoyed about all the 'you are all manhating misanderists' type comments

When there are actually not many comments like these on the feminist boards (woukdnt deny there are elsewhere)

And the worst one so far appears to be a troll one

Disingenuous? Ok.

I gave the examples I was thinking of at the top of this page. The claim has been made, has been supported in a vague way by several people. But no examples can be given, so I think the belief is driven by conformation bias.

But it is still evidence of the fabled 'misanderist' comment

I dont think im spelling that right..the misanderst bit

See im trying different ways and my spell check is refusing to help me...

Misandrist

'Misandry' I think its the same as being black and being racist against white western people. Yeah its not a good or okay thing but its very different from the reverse of it because of the structure of power and also because of the prevalence of abuse women face

That thread about looking at a little boy and wondering if he would grow up to become a rapist was just very sad. And I say this as a mother of a little boy. I certainly dont look at little boys like that but if a woman does its more likely that it has come out of her facing violence and sexual abuse from men than from some irrational hatred. Thats something to be pitied and dealt with not something to be written off as a hatred

At the end of the day when 1 in 3 women has faced sexual assault from a man its hardly surprising when some end up suspicious and frightened. I dont think you can write that off as irrational hatred really

I didn’t see that thread and I see Betrand has said it was written by a troll so I don’t know about how the question was posed and the tone of the thread, but in itself is it a case of awful misandry?

My afro-carribean neighbours’ sons are always top of their class or thereabouts, do lots of activities (sports, choirs, church etc.) and I was commenting to them about what superstars their boys are and how polite and kind they are to me when I see them. They said they watch them like hawks because "you have to be careful with black boys”. There is a gang culture in the city and black boys are the most vulnerable to getting caught up in it in our area. It was a comment on our society, on the patriarchy, on racism, the things that drive people into behaviours rather than being a racist and sexist comment IMV.

'How am I expected to know what feminism is if you won't tell me'

feels a little like

'How am i expected to know what needs doing round the house if you won't tell me'.

I think that UpstartCrow, like many of us, is getting fed up of the “feminists are all man haters” “ I have had enough of all the misandrist comments on here” “I can’t be a feminist because feminists think all men are rapists” type comments, and has issued a challenge for the people who say things like this to actually put their evidence where their mouths are and provide some examples.

This has been done before. The response is either “There are so many, look for them yourself”, “There are lots but I can’t remember them””There are lots-I’ll be back soon with examples” or an ad hominem attack in the person asking.

The main ad hominem attacks are on anyone who does produce evidence.

Equally a company is judged sexist if its overall culture and tone is sexist. The accuser would not have to provide a tribunal with countless unequivocal and unarguable individual instances, merely to show a general culture of bias and discrimination.

There was a thread a while ago about how it is hard not to hate men. I am sure you remember it (or just search ‘hate men’ and it pops up). This is almost misandry by definition.

But no misandry on these boards, nothing to see, move on please....

“The main ad hominem attacks are on anyone who does produce evidence.”

But you promised you would...........

I did, search ‘hate men’ and the thread pops up.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3060692-Are-most-men-creeps-under-a-thin-veneer-of-civility

One of many

larrygrylls I cant find that thread using advanced search.

The main ad hominem attacks are on anyone who does produce evidence.
I havent seen that happen. Its why I ask for evidence of the claim.

Equally a company is judged sexist if its overall culture and tone is sexist.
Why is that an unreasonable judgement? Surely companies that are not sexist don't permit a culture of sexism.

I cant find the thread you reference. the top result I get is 'a womans opinion is the miniskirt of the internet'.

I recall that thread.

The OP was distressed by her feelings.

She wanted to change them. They upset her. She hadn't harmed any man, in any way. She had not manifested her dislike of men in any other way than going out of her way to avoid them.

Not the same in content, meaning, application, real world effects or in any way, shape or form the same as the way that misogyny operates in the real world to harm and damage women.

She stayed away from men. The equivalent would have been if she decided to hurt men, rape them, make violent pornography about them, threaten men, or attempt to shut them out of public life. That's what would make misandry equivlant to misogyny.

But it's not. She didn't, and it's not.

Cross post. On the 'creeps thread' OP writes ''I have really been depressed about the variety of news this week, all about a preponderance of bad male behaviour that has been accepted and normalised. ''
and then gives a long list of situations that are familiar to many women.

You see that thread as an example of misandry. Can you see how women might have a different take on that?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2685909-Im-starting-to-hate-men

That is the actual one. Not just the op’s Post but many of the replies.

The thread I recall is a different one than the one Larry has linked to.

x-post. The second one is the one that my post is about.

Sophocles,

Misandry is hating men, it does not imply any actions that follow. Let’s not try to redefine the thread.

Of course I can see why some women are misandrist in the same way as I can see why certain men become misogynistic; they have been badly treated by the opposite sex.

Justifying your misandry is not the same as denying it.

Thank you patodp

I'll have forgotten again by the time i need to type it again but i will try and remember

oh, you just want to explore the thoughtcrime, then Larry?

No actual real world effects. Just women thinking thoughts and having opinions and the dreadful oppression that results for men?

I think the practical application is where the damage of misogyny is done. Like Elizabeth I, I don't seek to make windows into men's souls, people can think what they like. But I see a lot of evidence of the harms of misogyny all around.

if misandry is equally damaging to men as misogyny is to women, then it would have to result in as many crimes wouldn't it? We must be doing something will all this man hating, surely?

Sophocles,

Interesting point, maybe you should start a thread on it. The OP asked people to post examples of misandry. I did.

Start a thread on what?

you've far from proved your case that you've found the misandry.

I ask again: what did the OP of the thread you cite do that was harmful to men, other than dislike them in her head?