Evidence of misandry on Feminist chat.

[UpstartCrow]

The last few days, there have been several claims of misandry on Feminist Chat. Please post examples here using a link and screen shot.

Thank you.

I remember most of the shops in the town I went to high school in having those signs. My classmates and I coped without any whataboutism.

Jeez, why do feminists have to spend all their time explaining that they don’t hate men? It’s so tiring.

The idea that women can't be guilty of the equivalent of misogyny because there are no power inbalances in their favour seems to be very convenient. It seems like letting yourself off too easily

Who has said this? I'm sure women can be guilty of misandry. The thread is asking for examples.
So far the examples have been discussed from a range of viewpoints.

Lang

See my original post,I haven't labelled anyone as being a misandrist.

We don't. Join us here on Team Don't Give A Shit, it's much more fun!

Lass

Do you really think being accused of not seeing dirt is offensive and oppressive to men?

“My objection comes when people start to bundle all sorts of other things into the label of 'feminism' and claim it's still just about equality“

Like what?

I have been told many times that all feminism is, is equality.

MORE MISANDRY AHEAD ALERT!

That's the wank feminism, my friend. Feminism is by women, about women, for women. It is the movement for the liberation of women from patriarchy.

See my original post,I haven't labelled anyone as being a misandrist.

I can't be arsed to read back. What with being a misandrist who has no interest in the opinions of men an' all.

Lass didn't say that thread was called out by members of the Feminist Board as being unreasonable and goady fuckery, before it was deleted

Well let's be accurate-some of the posts did that- about half went along with it.

Bertrand

Im sure your right that it's never been explicitly stated that all men are rapists etc.

My point is more the implication. Ive seen threads on here in the past where it is strongly implied (by a minority of posters) that this is the case.

One in particular sticks in my mind where an OP asked if they should believe their male friend who was being (informally) accused of rape by a woman who sounded like she had mental health problems. Most of the responses were sensible, i.e listen to both sides, don't make judgements, let the police deal with it etc.

A significant minority were along the lines of 'hardly any rape allegations are false so the bastard obviously did it'.

It's this kind of stuff I am talking about.

Bertrand

Like what

Like Langs comment directly after yours.

That's the problem right there.

Do you really think being accused of not seeing dirt is offensive and oppressive to men?

Along with all the other hilarious stereotypes about them? Yes.

And your justification that women are not responsible when they do this because of patriarchical oppression is infantilising dogma.

Well let's be accurate-some of the posts did that- about half went along with it.

Not the particular post you were referencing though. Most quickly slammed it down and it was deleted.

See that, Lang? You're a problem, you are. It's the naughty seat for you, young lady.

www.theonion.com/man-finally-put-in-charge-of-struggling-feminist-moveme-1819569515

That's the problem right there.

Can you please explain your actual problem with feminism being about freedom from patriarchy.

After 20 years of working in a maie dominated environment, probably the same one as Patriachy, I have become a bit of a misandrist I think. I see and hear how men my age and older perceive and talk about women, and it aint pretty. Years of watching my male partner become more and more lazy and do less and less to help contribute to running the home has reinforced it. Its lived experience in my opinion and you cant help your experiences shaping those opinions. I know its NAM etc etc, but it sure is a lot of them that I've worked with over the years. Particularly the now-MRAs who have been left by their long-suffering wives and the ones who have been passed over for promotion because they are lazy and less comitted and dedicated that the few women around, who have so, so much more to prove.

The good news, from my point of view, is I see it changind in the younger generation behind me. Its the middle aged men that like to police how women think.

Along with all the other hilarious stereotypes about them? Yes

And your justification that women are not responsible when they do this because of patriarchical oppression is infantilising dogma

It's a strange sort of prejudice against men that ends with having all their housework done for them.

I am fully aware that women are capable of misandry, but giving them a free pass to avoid all housework is not an example of this.

That's the problem right there.

Too. Fucking. Easy.

^goes off to demand (with menaces) pancakes for breakfast off the Stepford DH*

Bollocks (epithet choice intended). Messed up the italics. Now I will sit on the naughty step.

Tells

Because if it's not about equality then what's it about?

Surely the end state of getting rid of the 'patriarchy' is to achieve equality?

If it's anything else then it's not equality your after, it's just reversing the current system, which doesn't make anything fairer or more just.

As long as there are pancakes while you're there.

'Misandry', as just demonstrated by Lang seems to amount to having opinions without being concerned about whether strange men on the internet agree with them or not.

IMO misandry is a word made up by MRAs and it is used to counter legitimate feminist argument. It just says "shut up women, listen to us men, we'll tell you how to do feminism the right way".

I love feminism, I love how it's changed me. In fact, I might start a thread about that. Note that I wrote might. I'm not usually a thread starter. o

I think the claims of misandry are caused by confirmation bias.

TerfsUp
OP, it would have been helpful if you had provided evidence of your own rather than just starting a thread and expecting other people to respond.

OK, here's the 2 that stood out;

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3142075-Trans-vs-other-protected-characteristics?msgid=74889875

Rudest75 Wed 17-Jan-18 17:16:51
Black people commit homicide more frequently according to stats but nobody is advocating a return to apartheid. I encounter a lot of misandry in feminism in general and I really want to believe that this anti-trans narrative isn't just elicited by a general disdain of those born with a penis.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3170708-If-youre-pro-Self-ID-for-trans-people-please-could-you-explain-it-to-me?pg=3

MrsMcGarry Sat 17-Feb-18 14:51:59
I also have an issue with the misandry prevalent in SOME of the anti-trans voices ( I do recognise that not all people who are against self-id are anti-trans but there are many) Yes, men as a class commit the vast majority of violent crimes. But that doesn't mean that any individual man is more likely than any individual woman to be violent.