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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Who's up for a self-ID day of activism?

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YesItsADebate · 23/02/2018 15:06

Following on from my swimming thread, I'd like to guage interest to see who would be interested in taking part in a day where we all self-ID as men and take part in various forms of activism.

Some ideas from the other thread:

  • a mass swim in the men's pond in Hampstead;
  • manspreading on public transport;
  • sunbathing/sauntering around in shorts and flip-flops;
  • using the men's loos;
  • using men's changing rooms;
  • applying for membership of men-only golf clubs, gentlemen's clubs, the Freemasons' men's lodges etc.
  • going to men-and-toddler play sessions (with bacon butties!);
  • mansplaining, interrupting other participants in meetings and generally acting with a chauvinistic sense of superiority.

I'm sure you can come up with more. Vaguely planning for the summer when it's a bit warmer! Anyone up for it?

Disclaimer: while the law on Exposure (formerly indecent exposure) only applies to genitals, exposing breasts in public may amount to a public nuisance if it's done with the intent to shock, upset or annoy. I'll have a look a bit later for better guidance.

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FreeNiki · 28/02/2018 12:09

I wouldnt be happy getting my breasts out to make a point.

Because men would probably enjoy the sight of naked breasts unexpectedly. The rest however.....anyone going in a group ?

joannajoy · 28/02/2018 12:28

Yesitsadebate - I've not received a Pm.

My profile pic is of a snake priestess with her tits out !

YesItsADebate · 28/02/2018 14:49

Found you and sent you a friend request.

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loveyouradvice · 28/02/2018 15:42

Utterly brilliant - congrats - I'm in....

loveyouradvice · 28/02/2018 18:31

Love the idea of random acts of manliness.... As someone who does regularly use the Men's loo when there's a line at the Ladies - thinking, sod that for a lark, then feeling rather guilty and hoping not to meet any men... I am now going to go in there regularly with head held hi... and hopefully wearing a ManFriday badge - and just tell everyone Im identifying as a man.... AND ACTUALLY HOPING SOMEONE HAS A CONVERSATION WITH ME ABOUT IT.... feels a VERY strange world indeed when I feel our greatest media allies are the spectator and the daily mail/telegraph in bringing Gender ID to peoples attention....

MyBrilliantDisguise · 28/02/2018 18:32

I would love to do this - what about doing it on International Women's Day on 8th March?

pepperminttaste · 28/02/2018 18:37

Hmmm. Facebook have locked me out because I look suspicious. Guess they don't like my random photo.

YesItsADebate · 28/02/2018 18:44

Oh dear peppermintdisguise. Did they give you a timeline to resolve it?

MyBrilliantDisguise we could definitely do an honorary #ManFriday on 8th March.

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Sevendown · 28/02/2018 18:46

I’m up for this!

YesItsADebate · 28/02/2018 18:46

For the FB refuseniks, the first events are this Friday. There are 2:

  1. Contacting English pools using the email template above. For people outside England, it’s a #randomactofmanliness.

  2. London live event. If you want details, please PM me. Details aren’t going public for obvious reasons.

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YesItsADebate · 28/02/2018 18:47

Also, t-shirts are now available to buy. We’re working on the size options! Badges will be available from Friday. Again, if you want one, please PM me.

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pepperminttaste · 28/02/2018 18:52

Just that they're still reviewing it. I'll keep an eye on this thread anyway!

YippeeKiYayMelonFarmer · 28/02/2018 20:04

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littlevoiceofsanity · 28/02/2018 22:14

Done.

YesItsADebate · 02/03/2018 10:39

A petition is up on the UK Government and Parliament petitions website: petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118/sponsors/new?token=XBShafwHpVU9k7Vud04

Petition text:

Consult with women on proposals to enshrine 'gender identity' in law

The government proposes to amend the law to allow people to self-identify as men or women, and to stop allowing organisations in sensitive situations to exclude people of the opposite birth sex. We call for women to be consulted on how to protect women and girls' rights, safety, privacy and dignity.

We call for:

  • Respectful and evidence-based discussion about the impact of proposed changes and for women's voices to be heard.
  • The government to consult with women’s organisations on how self-declaration would impact on women-only services and spaces, data-gathering, and monitoring of sex-based discrimination.
  • The principle of single-sex spaces to be upheld – and where necessary extended.

References:

  • The Sex and Gender Ethics Society
  • A Woman's Place UK
  • Fair Play for Women
  • #ManFriday
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YesItsADebate · 02/03/2018 11:01

How the petition looks. NB. I made two minor edits to the final text, to replace ‘women’s spaces with ‘single-sex spaces’ and to add #ManFriday to the references.

Who's up for a self-ID day of activism?
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YesItsADebate · 02/03/2018 11:01

Also, badges arrived today Grin

Who's up for a self-ID day of activism?
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athingthateveryoneneeds · 02/03/2018 11:07

Wow!

PositivelyPERF · 02/03/2018 11:27

Fantastic op. You’ve been very busy.

YesItsADebate · 02/03/2018 11:44

Yes, I'm exhausted. I'm going to retreat to my man-cave now. Bring food, money and blue hoodies.

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athingthateveryoneneeds · 02/03/2018 11:46

Ordered a manly unisex t-shirt just now. Looking forward to barging into people on the street as I walk along with my chest* puffed out.

*hair optional

Spindelina · 02/03/2018 12:30

The petition is being “checked”. Hmm

terryleather · 02/03/2018 14:55

I just went on to sign and also found it was being checked.

I am absolutely fucking sick and tired of women being silenced at every turn.

In my almost 50 years on this planet I have never felt so shut down, marginalised, disregarding and down right hated for being female as I do now.

I am fucking FURIOUS AngryAngryAngry

Spindelina · 02/03/2018 15:06

It’s not sinister, apparently.

Other thread here

Wondermoomin · 02/03/2018 18:04

Ok I don't do much on MN and have never sent a PM on here, can't find how to at the moment, but I've sent a FB PM to request being added to the FB group. Massive well done, OP. Hope you get my FB message and can add me.