Who's up for a self-ID day of activism?

[YesItsADebate]

Following on from my swimming thread, I'd like to guage interest to see who would be interested in taking part in a day where we all self-ID as men and take part in various forms of activism.

Some ideas from the other thread:

• a mass swim in the men's pond in Hampstead;
• manspreading on public transport;
• sunbathing/sauntering around in shorts and flip-flops;
• using the men's loos;
• using men's changing rooms;
• applying for membership of men-only golf clubs, gentlemen's clubs, the Freemasons' men's lodges etc.
• going to men-and-toddler play sessions (with bacon butties!);
• mansplaining, interrupting other participants in meetings and generally acting with a chauvinistic sense of superiority.

I'm sure you can come up with more. Vaguely planning for the summer when it's a bit warmer! Anyone up for it?

Disclaimer: while the law on Exposure (formerly indecent exposure) only applies to genitals, exposing breasts in public may amount to a public nuisance if it's done with the intent to shock, upset or annoy. I'll have a look a bit later for better guidance.

I'm up for self I'ding. I don't do FB.
I am not young, so I don't care if people think I'm crazy, and I'm quite prepared to go into a men's changing room, or toilet.

YesItsADebate - you are a star and some nice manly beer

Shit. I thought the group was secret.

Everyone who is posting ‘I’m in a navy dress/ black and white top/ a spaniel ’ PLEASE be aware that you have just outed your mn name to your rl identity to EVERYONE with access to the internet.
You may wish to consider having the post deleted/ changing your fb profile pic.

I think it's really really important for this protest to be 100% peaceful. Not because of gender stereotypes, but to highlight the difference between the aggression at speaker's corner and the point we are trying to make. So...peacefully, within the letter of the law and current legislation, but enough of us to make it clear that this proposed legislation is imbalanced and unequal.

The op had the forethought to set up the fb group anonymously. That privilege is currently not extended to members (unless they too used secondary fb accounts etc)
You all look lovely - but I haven’t even joined the group as it’s not secret, and I know who loads of you are, and your employers etc. (Special shout out to the other guiders)

Thanks mam

I really am surprised this FB group is not secret.

That is one mahoosive can of worms.

Having read the other thread on FB safety I've almost obliterated myself on there. Got rid of a couple of TRAs on there too who were following my activities on here and linking the two sites. Bastards.

Oh and constant name changing on here which is a bummer cos I was quite fond of one or two of them.

I’ve made it secret. How do people find it?

If we pm you our facebook names you could search for us?

Obviously would have to give you a picture clue as well.

m.facebook.com/help/community/question/?id=4183195065325

That’s where it gets trickier! I’m no fb guru - I just clicked to have a look and was a bit boggled that I could see everyone without joining

Laboriously, I think you can add people who pm you their email address - but obviously there are layers to the whole thing. I’d give you ‘an’ email address, but not the one linked to my fb, (yes I was one of the ones that had to spend hours changing everything during jeffreygate )
Obviously at the point that I walk into a men’s toilet or men-only pool session then I accept I am outing myself - but at this point I’d rather try and ensure I am only known within the group lol.

There have been a load of secret fb groups set up as offshoots from mn though - hopefully someone can offer the easiest way to ensure security at this point!

Yes I like the new logo!

Swimwear.

I’m definitely up for the Hampstead dip, btw.

I agree with nodebate. Identify as a man but women's clothing. When questioned "expanding the bandwidth of being a man". Mass invasion of women in normal swimwear "expanding boundaries" would be great.
Or even "non binary - but I feel male today"
I'm in.

Maybe we could demand our GPS give us prostate exams?

I would definitely be up for the Hampstead man's pond.

And I agree, no tits. Too sensationalist and looks like a cheap stunt. The 'OMG damn feminazis' brigade will be out in force, otherwise.

Just normal swimsuits, with a good sprinkling of easily photographable floral swim hats.

And not just a one off. A regular thing until they get the message.

This isn't only about getting people to uphold the equality law, it's about publicity for the cause.

Getting the general public up to speed on what it all means.

So a bunch of chatty, benign women thoroughly enjoying themselves. With some strategic splashing, painfully slow breaststroke and cackling to each other across the lanes.

We can't make men feel threatened and intimidated, it's not within our power.

We can however, make them think long and hard about the reasons for sex segregation, from their point of view.

And those posters who are saying it's not fair on the men to make them feel uncomfortable.

Well duh.

Welcome to self ID.

*- a mass swim in the men's pond in Hampstead;

• manspreading on public transport;
• sunbathing/sauntering around in shorts and flip-flops;
• using the men's loos;
• using men's changing rooms;
• applying for membership of men-only golf clubs, gentlemen's clubs, the Freemasons' men's lodges etc.
• going to men-and-toddler play sessions (with bacon butties!);
• mansplaining, interrupting other participants in meetings and generally acting with a chauvinistic sense of superiority.*

Yes to Hampstead Pond, Changing - rooms, mens clubs - not the others tho.

I thought anonymous profiles were not permitted on Facebook? I’ve had several friends challenged that they weren’t using real names etc.

I would def like to take part in this, and join fb if there’s a way to keep anonymous online. I’d add using men’s toilets in shopping centres, pubs etc. If anyone is confident using a she-pee could even use the urinals. Attempting to dispose of sanpro - are there waste bins in men’s toilets? Even touching up makeup at the sink to be honest. Widening the bandwidth of being a man. Men can wear makeup too.

Yes the way to add to a secret group would be for the person wanting to join to PM you their FB name, you add them as a friend on FB, add them to the group then delete them as a FB friend.

ManFriday is excellent.

Is it only one Friday, or every Friday?

I've just read both threads, very interesting and a great idea your i think you've spoken to the swimming pool amazingly clearly.
I'm in - if done carefully with the focus on biological sex and not gender stereotypes.
Question though, I have a friend, a very good friend who transitioned nearly twenty years ago, she no longer has a penis and is as concerned about this self ID as I am her stance is that it makes a mockery of who she is and everything she's been through. She feels it harms not helps and is also very concerned about female safety. But she is also concerned that genuine innocent confused people could be caught in the crossfire of all this, forcing the debate back underground to where it was when she was younger, ironically meaning she is often unwelcome at trans board debates.
Would she be welcomed at the pool?

Due to health issues I'm not going to be able to do a swim or a march, I'm quite happy to sit at home in a Tshirt and drink a pint - could post the pic to the facebook group.

OP

Are you on twitter? this could take off on there.

Ah yes, twitter may be safer?