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what thread was talking about that new trans in schools booket

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Branleuse · 18/02/2018 10:42

the one that all the TRA were losing their shit over. Im trying to find the thread. I can find the PDF of the leaflet, but i cant find the discussion about it

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Branleuse · 18/02/2018 10:52

thanks, i found that one, but i think there was another one with an article discussing it that I really want to show my friend and now i cant find it. Will keep looking, thanks x

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Branleuse · 18/02/2018 10:54

ahh ive found it, it wsnt on here, it was on a friends facebook

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-trends-schools-resource-pack-read-discuss-share/

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AstraiaLiberty · 18/02/2018 15:11

Where did the thread about Lily Madigan's hounding of a Labour candidate who shared the resource pack go? I can't find it.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/02/2018 15:13

Deleted.

OrderOnline · 18/02/2018 15:13

LM thread deleted because of misgendering and PA about LM appearance.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/02/2018 15:14

'Message from MNHQ: Afternoon all and thanks for the reports.

Just to explain, we always delete posts which are intended to inflame or provoke because they break Talk Guidelines. Prompted by the reports, we've had a look here and that does seem to be the case in the thread title, OP and many subsequent posts.

We know this is a subject many MNers feel passionately about. So please do feel free to discuss the situation in a separate thread if you're able to do so without breaking Talk Guidelines.'

AstraiaLiberty · 18/02/2018 15:16

Ah - thanks for telling me!

(Although seriously, misgendering? I agree that comments on LM's appearance are unfair, but material reality still exists Hmm )

OrderOnline · 18/02/2018 15:23

There were comments about imperfections of LM skin.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/02/2018 15:34

That's a pity. I come from a family of acne sufferers and it makes my blood boil to see anyone mocked for having bad skin.

Fekko · 18/02/2018 15:36

I only saw someone dissing lils frock. I’ve got one like that (been wearing them for years).

OrderOnline · 18/02/2018 15:36

There was also a Michael Finnegan rehash. If this is stopped, it looks like we can talk again.

Everyonematters · 18/02/2018 15:37

Personal attacks like remarks about skin are wrong.

marfisa · 18/02/2018 15:43

Deliberate misgendering is also wrong

OvaHere · 18/02/2018 15:50

Deliberate misgendering is also wrong

But calling women cis, who reject the label and find it offensive is just fine I suppose?

OrderOnline · 18/02/2018 15:51

Forcing people to believe your religion is wrong. I don't believe in Transology, like I don't believe in a flat earth. Each to their own.

BarrackerBarmer · 18/02/2018 15:55

'misgendering is always wrong'
I disagree.

accusing a person who doesn't believe in gender of misgendering is akin to accusing an atheist of 'misworshipping'.

I can allow that certain people do believe in an inner gender (that is never actually defined), but I don't, and so I won't be compelled to use incorrect sex pronouns which contradict my own belief.

I'll use the correct pronouns for a person's sex. I won't pretend to acknowledge a mythical gender as if I give it credence, any more than I would pretend to worship a god I don't believe in.

busyboysmum · 18/02/2018 15:59

We need a thread about this to be honest because I am really uncomfortable with forcing people to say things that they know to be untrue. I find this a really sinister part of this whole movement.

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 18/02/2018 16:01

Asking people to respect your gender is like demanding people call you sir, or doctor. You cannot dictate language that other people use to describe reality, it's oppressive bollocks.

Elendon · 18/02/2018 16:04

I hate personal attacks on anyone, especially regarding their looks that includes those suffering from acne and those who don't conform to 'feminine stereotypes'

Regarding the booklet, can someone please quote me where conversion therapy was advocated?

OvaHere · 18/02/2018 16:05

It wasn't Elendon

Lily misread conversation therapy i.e counselling

SteelyPip · 18/02/2018 16:05

I agree.

I don't believe that 'misgendering' someone could be an offence, because it relies on one person accepting another person's subjective reality without any corroborating material facts. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't sex the protected characteristic, not gender.

SteelyPip · 18/02/2018 16:06

The above was @busyboysmum

Weezol · 18/02/2018 16:06

I am no fan of LM, have huge concerns about GRA and am a gender critical feminist, however that thread descended into some seriously nasty stuff. I didn't report it, but the songs and rhymes were unpleasant to put it mildly, as were the comments of appearance.

It played right into the TRA's hands. Expect to see screenshots being used across social media soon.

Mogleflop · 18/02/2018 16:08

Ah. I think I left before songs and poems, that sounds a bit odd?

I was and am still filled with fury at using autism as an excuse for shitty, illogical behaviour though. I hope I'm allowed to say that much.

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