This woman is all of us.

[CAAKE]

Lily Madigan speaking to a rapt audience at an Enfield North CLP meeting.

Photo is from this tweet -
twitter.com/enfieldnorthclp/status/964240546977013760

'Symbolic of his bloody struggle against reality if you ask me'

Is that meant to be Lily in the tweet with the crown and the police badge? If so drawing himself wearing a skeleton suit is the first sign of self awareness I've seen from him. Good job, Lily, you've noticed that you're very thin, now to work on that whole "have you noticed that you're male?" issue.

Let's not make snarky comments about her appearance- being thin.

Not snark - being thin is fine, it's just that this is the first sign that he's aware that his physical body exists and is something other people might notice.

Lilliams most recent tweet;
'Huntingdon CLP stands in committed solidarity with our trans womens sisters who are unquestionably women & who are therefore absolutely entitled to stand for all women shortlists.
Transphobic & specifically transmisogynist behaviour (the hatred and oppression of transgender women) and its expressions are not welcome in the Labour Party and will not be tolerated.
The hatred and oppression is all one way and its not from Terfs

'

AAKittens

The drawing first appeared in Lilliams posts on Feb 9th ,with the caption 'I see you' @ all the terfs.
I assumed it was meant to show an older woman ,the skeleton is just visible above the caption,typical Terf ?

So we're all in Mardi Gras costumes for some reason? He's an odd boy.

trans womens sisters who are unquestionably women

Except when they're trans women, and only men can be one of those...

To be fair, transwomen’s sisters probably are women.

"'Huntingdon CLP stands in committed solidarity with our trans womens sisters who are unquestionably women"

Does anyone else scent the whiff of desperation in "our trans womens sisters who are unquestionably women"? It's that hope that if you tell an obvious lie often enough, it becomes true. None of us who are actually women have to keep repeating that we are women.

It’s the use of ‘unquestionably’ too. It sounds to me like ‘don’t dare question this’.

Also, we're unquestionably going to win the next election and it's our commitment to shafting women that will get us there!

You must ‘unquestionably’ sit though a very boring lecture by LM too.

I thought the drawing was how Lily sees himself. The woman in the latest drawing is wearing a crown and is a policewoman ready to arrest us terfragettes? (No idea what the skeleton outfit is meant to represent)

Don't forget that it isn't Lily's fault if his lectures bore people! Remember that he is a lesbian asexual disabled autistic woman and so even if he's boring it's important for good allies to pretend he isn't.

she is a rock

Huntingdon CLP doth protest too much.

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We appreciate that there are discussions to be had about biology and the nature of what it is to be a woman, and to that end we allow posts which align with scientific orthodoxy and which are in the spirit of genuine, civil debate. But we do think that repeatedly referring to someone by a pronoun they've rejected is both goady and inflammatory. We're going to go back now and delete those posts - it will leave big holes, which is a pain for everyone.

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But doesn't scientific orthodoxy class lily as male?

It may do, Wisterical - and in the context of a scientific debate, we might pause. Otherwise, basic civility demands that we respect others' choices.

But LM gets to call me CIS???

Bit of double standards there...

I have to use LM's choice of pronoun to be kind and respectful but not vice versa?

Also when did being polite top trump the truth?

Yeah I know....delete away

I can't in all honesty refer to LM as she. It is lying, to myself and to everyone else. Why are we being forced to lie??

Sorry, Madigan is posting pictures of Madigan's intention to dish out 'what they deserve' to 'terfs', and basic civility is dictating what pronoun we can use for this individual with a penis?
Basic civility doesn't matter more than truth, as Dath said above.

"But we do think that repeatedly referring to someone by a pronoun they've rejected is both goady and inflammatory."

It's not, though, is it? It's just accurate. Madigan is a male. He makes jokes about having a "rape.com" website and his job being "Savile's apprentice". I'm not quite sure why his feelings need protecting so much.

You OK with calling people 'them' and 'their', KateMN? I could suppress my inner grammar pedant enough to do that, but I think calling identifiably and legally male people 'she' and 'her' is part of what's caused the current sorry state of affairs.

I'm assuming that 'it' is just too discourteous, and we don't really have a readily understood gender-neutral alternative.

Except maybe 'un', Lancs/Yorkshire-style -'Us'll 'ave ter check if un's doin' job proper afore us gives un credit for it'. My gran would be fine with that.