Can you be a feminist and be completely accepting of transgender individuals?

[MagicSweets]

It seems to be a thing that the majority of feminists on here are against transgender people. I'm just curious if you can be a feminist and completely accept transgender individuals.

I suppose feeling female is a strong desire to follow those stereotypes.

But stereotypes do not make someone male or female? Biology does.

I am a fairly masculine person, I dress in 'mens clothes' most of the time as they are more confortable and I don't like dresses and such.

Does this mean I am a man?

And on the rare times I do wear dresses (last time was my wedding, 2 years back) am I a woman on those days

@TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole - that's it what I'm saying at all -sigh-

Because 98% of sex offenders are male. No ones denying the other 2% exists but it's not quite as big an issue.

Your argument seems to boil down to:

1. But most of them are genuine

ok, how do women spot the sex offenders in amongst the lovely ones please? They don't come labelled.

2. women should be nice and kind, this would make men happy.

Men's happiness about validating their personal choices isn't more important than the womens feelings of privacy, dignity, their right to feel safe and right to not be harassed or assaulted. You can only believe it is, if you believe that men are innately more valuable than women.

Ultimately what this all comes down to is that if you, Magic, would like to pander to your friend's belief that he's somehow a woman on some metaphysical level then you can certainly choose to do that, but you have no business expecting other women to do the same.

*that's not

I'm not saying the clothes you wear make you male or female. Of course not. What I'm saying is...

If I was slimmer - I'd wear a bikini, shorts, etc.

If I was male - I'd have my hair cut short.

Yes I could do those things without being slimmer or male, but I wouldn't want to.

I become slimmer, I become male to feel happy doing those strong desires.

It's like some people are suicidal over being overweight, some are suicidal over being the different sex.

He's not by friend, 2nd time. I came across him in the shop lol.

@Myunicornfliessideways - should we all avoid our male family members as kids as they are the most likely to sexually abuse us?

It's the same mindset

how did you extrapolate that from my posts please?

Doesn't matter. If you want to spend time making him happy, you can do that. There's no obligation on other women to do the same.

Can you please explain what “feeling female” actually MEANS??

Magic, are you talking about transgender people (this includes fetishists and such) or transsexual people? There is a huge difference between the two.

And from what you have said, it sounds like your friend is transgender.

But then you talk about accepting the 'genuine ones'. The 'genuine ones' to me would be those who are transsexual. I have no issue at all accepting these people. But we cannot really differentiate between the nice ones and not so nice ones. Same as we cannot tell which males are rapists, unfortunately they do not come with a flashing neon sign. So we have sex segregated spaces, to go towards keeping female people safe from male people. Not all male people are bad of course. But enough of them are, for it to be a problem.

How should we segregate sex segregated areas, if not by sex?

And how do we tell genuine transfolk from the not genuine ones?

And finally, what would you say was a 'genuine' transperson? As it does not sound like the guy using the female lo in the smal shop is a genuine one, but it seems you think he was in the right for doing that and we should all accept it?

Can you please explain what “feeling female” actually MEANS??

Following stereotypically feminine stereotypes, apparently.

Though such a view is transphobic. As is thining that some trans folk may not be genuine. Or that sex actually does matter, or even that its a real thing. Oh dear.

should we all avoid our male family members as kids as they are the most likely to sexually abuse us?
Saying this in a room full of women, many of whom were indeed sexually abused by male family member is truly despicable of you, MagicSweets.
If only we could have avoided them. Think of the pain we would have been spared.

@thebewilderness - yes, I'm also rather familiar with abuse, thanks. You clearly missed my point.

Eff you you despicable troll.

Maybe it's the time of night but this conversation feels more like a game of Mornington Crescent than a discussion.

I feel like we're playing Trolling Or Just A Victim of Female Socialization again. Not a game I'm fond of. Monopoly may be boring but it's less depressing.

@thebewilderness wow, so much for believing women, eh?

Feminist and no issue with trans people

How should we segregate sex segregated areas, if not by sex?

And how do we tell genuine transfolk from the not genuine ones?

And finally, what would you say was a 'genuine' transperson? As it does not sound like the guy using the female lo in the smal shop is a genuine one, but it seems you think he was in the right for doing that and we should all accept it?

female loo + small shop

Copying my own post right down to the typo

I did not know that you self identify as a woman MagicSweets, though that does not mean your behavior here is any less despicable.

Yes, funnily enough, I do have a vagina. Why is my behaviour despicable?

Yes, funnily enough, I do have a vagina. Why is my behaviour despicable?

What's that got to do with being a woman? How does having a vagina make you a woman? You sound transphobic.