Labour lose 3 points - ALL women leaving the party

[goodyzoe]

"The 3-point fall in the Labour share [in You Gov poll] is entirely explained by a 6-point fall among women (from 46% to 40%)"

CON 43 (+1)
LAB 39 (-3)
LD 8 (+2)

@jenniferjames says "Oh fucking hell. I broke the Labour party. :-( "

I've got very mixed feelings. On the one hand - go everyone! They'll have to take notice - surely?

But - Jesus Christ let's not let the Tories have another term.

But - we have to stick up for ourselves don't we.

Starting to think the people who say the rapid rise in TRA ideology is being fuelled by those who stand to benefit from a divided left might have a point.

www.twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/961537001689370624

really pisses me off to see women here on mn saying they will vote for tories purely because of one issue (trans). Great for you if you belong to the lucky few who haven't been nearly destroyed by years of real term cuts

I have been thank you actually. That said I'm not about to put my dd into a situation where she has no chance at female specific services or sports.

I am 100% against mermaids talking in schools and convincing my perfectly normal children that because they aren't parodies of action men or barbies that need hormones.

The WEP have never been about biological women. They supported violent male criminal Tara Hudson being moved to a women's prison & they've told Mumsnetters in the past that a woman is "anyone who identifies as one" & that we're nasty bigots if we think otherwise.

Every time they've been in here they've made themselves look worse. They might now have got the message & stopped trying.

*that they then need hormones

Anyone asked about their voting intention and concerned about self id should say they are not planning to vote. If enough women do it, then someone is going to start asking why.

Women can be united on this regardless of their political alignment.

This is where women should put an organised campaign called 'listen to women'.

With the polls so close both lab and the cons NEED womens votes.

I really do think that all the parties are desperate for the young vote. They think the young are in support of self ID so have adopted it without thinking it through.
The conservatives have realised it will put their mostly older voters off so have started to backtrack.
The Lib Dems and Labour haven’t yet got there and Labour have gone so far down this road that there will be no backtracking. Which is why the Legal processing by Jennifer James is so important.

My local wep branch is clearly gender critical (or at least it was, I have not checked in a while) and in an area that you would not expect it from. They didn't make a big song and dance about it but if you are gender critical, certain 'likes' and people they were following and certain stories that they weren't discussing it was quite obvious.

For those of us up in Scotland, the SNP are just as bad. Mindlessly pro self ID and determined to bulldoze on with it to show how much more progressive Scotland is.

The Greens up here also out of the question, led by the loathsome misogynist dudebro Patrick Harvie who recently compared a feminist who wrote to him on this to an Islamophobe or pro lifer.

Annoying they can't be openly so as the main wep party line is shit. Suspect loads of older members are though

How does one go about starting a single issue party? So that people can spoil their ballots but still have it counted?

The Gender Critical party.

I think RedToothBrush is right.
I have told both Labour party and Lib Dem canvassers this week that I will not consider voting for their party while they support self ID of women. Both - men - were rather non plussed but the Libdem gay man promised to go away and look at Fair play for women and to google the cotton ceiling.
(Lives in one of Labour's target seats so they're all very busy)

I didn't renew my membership for a number of reasons the main one being their stance on Brexit.

I will probably still vote for them, but I will not be helping out at general or local elections.

@Valentinesfart is that a thing? Are you proposing it? I have a vote I need to use!

Yes, Cheeky. See this link concerning the WEP:

www.heather-brunskell-evans.co.uk/thoughts/public-statement-to-the-womens-equality-party/

LibDems and WEP are both vehemently pro self identification, no questions no challenges, no protections against malicious men.

The changes were fairly sudden and as a result of very effective lobbying from a small group - effective because it tapped into both groups inclination to liberalism and equality.

The left has always had a dubious relationship with women. Its not a coincidence that the main party of the left has never really come close to electing a woman leader. Many of the men who suppressed and covered up sexual assaults on women in the 'bad old days' are back there at the forefront now.
I can remember as a young woman being told repeatedly that the women's struggle will come naturally as part of human liberation (always with a subtext of "make the tea luv").

Other women told me at the time that Labour had gone backwards after progress in the Wilson/Callaghan era. Many left.

My local Labour party has sent out a motion against "witch hunts" recently and the right for an accused to know their accuser. Except when I asked I was told this relates to the policy of anonymity for complainants of sexual misconduct and bullying. They want that anonymity removed.

I don't recognise the Labour Party atm, and I was never even close to being a Blairite. I can't vote for it in current state and attitudes to 50% of the electorate.

Maybe a Women say Fuck Off party.

Maybe a Women say Fuck Off party.

Yes - what I always hoped the women's equality party would be.

Adam Boulton has done a comment piece in the Times this morning about the Labour drop. It is mainly pro Theresa May, but he does mention all the reasons women are leaving the Labour party quite comprehensively, and mentions the Labour party championing of trans rights and the opposition to that of Linda Bellos and Greer.

LangCleg

Totally agree with you. I won't vote for any party that supports self ID.

TBH if Labour don't address this soon I will never vote for them again - I'm pretty close to this at the moment but living in hope. And that includes allowing males to self ID as women and access AWS. If I never heard from or saw that wee brat Madigan I'd be fucking delighted

My local wep branch is clearly gender critical (or at least it was, I have not checked in a while) and in an area that you would not expect it from. They didn't make a big song and dance about it but if you are gender critical, certain 'likes' and people they were following and certain stories that they weren't discussing it was quite obvious.

If disenfranchised women were to join WEP in large numbers, would there be scope to change the party’s stance on women’s rights to a more gender critical stance from the inside? We have power in numbers.

I hate the idea of spoiling my ballot at the next election, but I’m damned if I’m going to vote away my rights by supporting any party that thinks so little of women.

www.facebook.com/JeremyCorbynMP/

Is it worth commenting on here? He needs to wake up.

ChampiontheWonderHamster

I don't think so. Labour relies on turnout for good election results much more than the Tories do. If women don't turn out, the Tories will win. Their support is also more fallible to the first-past-the-post system so relies more on small differences.

Labour can less afford to turn off women than the Tories can.

I've left labour over trans issues too. I was already pissed off about Brexit and the chaos.

I've posted the above on my fb with my reasons for leaving. I've been told I'm narrow minded.

I actually now dread running seminars and courses these days (its part of my job). I am fine dealing with people who have additional needs, dietary requirements etc.

I bend over backwards to make sure that people have everything the need to get the best out of the events we put on. But if a man - who is very obviously a man - in women’s clothing (or a pastiche of women’s clothing to be precise) kicking up a fuss and angrily demanding access to the ladies loos - or shower facilities (some venues have gear for cyclists or gym goers) how can I in all conscience say ‘yes that’s fine, on you go. Of course it may well make he other women uneasy or even scares but fuck ‘em, us girlies just have to suck it up, eh? Or do I take them around to the loos and loiter in case someone kicks off?