Labour lose 3 points - ALL women leaving the party

[goodyzoe]

"The 3-point fall in the Labour share [in You Gov poll] is entirely explained by a 6-point fall among women (from 46% to 40%)"

CON 43 (+1)
LAB 39 (-3)
LD 8 (+2)

@jenniferjames says "Oh fucking hell. I broke the Labour party. :-( "

I've got very mixed feelings. On the one hand - go everyone! They'll have to take notice - surely?

But - Jesus Christ let's not let the Tories have another term.

But - we have to stick up for ourselves don't we.

Starting to think the people who say the rapid rise in TRA ideology is being fuelled by those who stand to benefit from a divided left might have a point.

www.twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/961537001689370624

Twofish Self-id would mean centuries of rights and protections for women as a class would disappear due to a change in law. Why does this have to be either or? How can anyone seriously be surprised that women (and some men) who have supported Labour for years are not prepared to vote for a party that is happy to do this without even discussing the issues? Trust is broken. The party needs to six that. It's not women's fault.

Oh the bare faced hypocrisy of those emails

I'm not a big believer in coincidences, Cooroo.

If this is the first time in your life that the Labour Party have contacted you then there is a reason behind it.

It may be that someone in the LP is looking through the list of donors on the crowdfunder and then separately googling associated email addresses in order to solicit donations, but that strikes me as dodgy also.

Can you ask them both where they got your email address from?

Quick rundown on my voting history - I have flitted around a bit!

Labour member when youngish >> flounced over iraq war

The joined the Lib Dems, ditched them over sexism, things at conference wanting to reduce the age for prostitution and appearing in porn to 16, there was something else as well, the liberal part seems to often mean liberalising things for the male party members dicks

Then joined the Greens, flounced over theit view of women as "non men"

Looked at WEP who also consider women to be "non men" and clearly centre TIMs in their everything so how they can say they are about women (when TIMs don't share most of the issues that we needed the WEP for) is anyone's guess

Rejoined Labour at that point, cancelled my DD last week over this. Haven't told them why.

So in terms of the political parties on offer
Labour = no interest in women
Greens = no interest in women - I read their policies the other day (posted on another thread) and they have a lengthy trans policy but NO women's policy yes you read that right, none
Lib Dems = no interest in women apart from for sex purposes. Fully on board with TIMS for everything (but bet they wouldn't fuck them, the ones who are interested in paying for sex with 16 yo girls anyway)
WEP = pile o shite only interested in progressing TW not actual women which is extremely disappointing to say the least

Would never vote Tory.

My constituency has been tory all my life (I'm in my 40s) and by a safe margin. Last time, the conservatives won by only a couple of thousand votes. It was a real shocker. Labour have been working very hard because they (we until last week) believe they can do it here. I was quite excited until this.

I get a lot of emails inviting me to do more as they want equality and go to talks and so on. It's completely contradictory to their aims at central level.

Fundamentally politics is still a boys club whatever the colour and they aren't really interested in women. Ditto unions, business, everything.

And the more I am patronised, the easier it will be to spoil my ballot paper.

green party core values and links to policies

Why would anyone want health care from an NHS that denied science?

Sunset and CH8 - same email as mine. Did you donate to JJ's campaign by any chance? I actually don't recall having emails from the Labour Party before, but couldn't swear to it.

For those who are running the party now (Momentum, Corbyn & McDonnell) it’s more important that Labour are what they consider the real Labour Party than being in power and being in a position to make changes than appeal to middle ground voters *

This.

They don't give a fuck about this country or its people.

No I havent donated to her campaign. I think I may have signed and shared a petition from Brendan Cox or something perhaps? I can't quite remember.

Why save an Education system when the shadow minister, doesn't do their job, ignores Mermaids etc and joins a witch hunt instead?

Labour, get some sensible people in and you have my vote, not this shower.

Oh! Also Labour

The committee looking at prostitution

Then it came out that Keith Vaz on the committee was paying for sex with young men. And some of the conversation reported was really gross- something about breaking one of the men in if my memory is right.

Jezza said it didn't matter about this and him being on the committee as it was a private matter.

Fuck them for that too.

Obviosuly very in favour of men being able to pay for sex including breaking them in maybe they have parties with the lib dem men?

Cassandra, I hope you're just grossly exaggerating for effect.

The WEP is such a huge disappointment.

The other parties are male-centred and cater to their desires and wishes, irrespective of the light sheen of "equality" over the surface.

The WEP has been such a wasted opportunity. Why the hell has a party for Women decided to centre itself around placating penis owners?

I’m in a true blue constituency so my vote isn’t going to make a difference. If it was a marginal, given recent elections this could be a lot of seats, it would depend on who my MP was. If a moderate labour mp or candidate I would be inclined to vote for them as I think we need moderates and Momentum are trying to deselect moderate MPs. If it was a momentum MP or one who came out strongly for self ID I would against them. I’m upset about Corbyn and McDonnell are doing to this party. It takes me back militant and Kinnock’s speech about a labour council delivering redundancy notices from a cab.

I've mostly been a Labour voter all my adult life. I think there was one, maybe two occasions when I supported a Lib Dem or Green candidate (can't remember which).

I feel very differently about politics now than when I was young, much less tribal or black and white. My last local MP was a Tory who held the seat for a number of cycles and he was really decent guy with reasonably good voting record on a number of social issues.

He lost the seat at the last election to Labour by a small majority so it's very much a swing seat. I do sort of regret voting him out as I think he would be much more receptive to my women's rights concerns than the current incumbent would.

Just as a thought exercise, if the Tories were the only party to take a stance against self ID and thousands upon thousands of (gender critical) women joined up how would this change the landscape of Tory politics in general?

Would it be a good thing or are the Tories so engrained in their own particular dogma - austerity cuts, pro individualism etc..it wouldn't make a difference?

I'm sure it's been suggested before but would it be worth more of us joining wep and pushing for change through them? Or would it not work?

This is a GOOD thing.
We cannot speak up for fear of reprisals.
We risk losing jobs if we are gender critical.
We are silenced and no platformed.

BUT WE HAVE A VOTE AND WE CAN USE IT.

If every woman who is feeling silenced objected by leaving her party, this would all be over faster.

Labour, tories, WEP, greens, libdems are all relying on us having nowhere to go.
They are gambling on us staying wherever we currently belong and trying fruitlessly to change things from within. They won't negotiate because are confident that we won't strike. Why should they cede to us when there are no consequences if they don't?

Imagine an organised protest, whereby on a particular date ALL gender critical women cancelled their party membership, regardless of party.

Imagine the YouGov figures on that day.

Womens political strike.

The scale of it would be huge. You can bet that parties would start competing to win women back then.

They think we won't do it. That we'll stay put, one or two brave outspoken women will keep pleading, and that if they can punish those who do this the rest of us will be subdued into silence. This certainly seems to be working like a dream so far.

gogoled wep trans and this was first link, seems they are booting out gender critical people as well

here

Cis inclusivity must never mean trans exclusivity, nor vice versa.

Jesus. What idiotic trans foghorn wrote that?

The challenge will be to enable parties to 'back down' without losing face.
Of course, it is perfectly reasonable for them to say - "it is apparent that there are all sorts of unintended consequences that we just hadn't considered " which is what the Tories seem to be starting to say. (That's what comes from letting fools like Maria Miller lead on this) . But I can't see the Labour party ever backing down in this way.
And tragically the WEP have backed themselves into a corner and I believe they have some very powerful transgender women in senior positions who I presume are dominating the discourse? If they are the 'gatekeepers' then women's rights will never be prioritised. Just look at their targeting of Heather Brunskell Evans for her temerity in appearing on that well known "transphobic programme" The Moral Maze .

Just poking around teh WEP and had forgotten they are in favour of decrim of prostitution,

For those of us who are refems across the board rather than just gender critical, this is another big disappointment.

I have never felt more strongly on any issue. I have never been more angry than I am now. No party that erases women will ever have my vote.

Hear hear.
I’ve told my DDs from an early age how important it is to vote. How women died so we could do it, how millions around the world don’t have this right.
How ironic that in the centenary year of us getting the vote, many of us feel we can’t or won’t vote.

I have been a bit taken aback at all the mainstream things about centenary that I have seen including TIMs in their pics etc and being sure to mention them.

TIMs would have been able to vote.

Transmen wouldn't so it at least would've made sense but nope it's always TIMs smugly smirking at us, with anything to do with women.