Labour lose 3 points - ALL women leaving the party

[goodyzoe]

"The 3-point fall in the Labour share [in You Gov poll] is entirely explained by a 6-point fall among women (from 46% to 40%)"

CON 43 (+1)
LAB 39 (-3)
LD 8 (+2)

@jenniferjames says "Oh fucking hell. I broke the Labour party. :-( "

I've got very mixed feelings. On the one hand - go everyone! They'll have to take notice - surely?

But - Jesus Christ let's not let the Tories have another term.

But - we have to stick up for ourselves don't we.

Starting to think the people who say the rapid rise in TRA ideology is being fuelled by those who stand to benefit from a divided left might have a point.

www.twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/961537001689370624

Complaints go to compliance [email protected]

Thanks both

Do you need to be a Labour party member to make a complaint?

Do you need to be a Labour party member to make a complaint?

I think it depends what you are complaining about. I'm not a member but I complained about the secret Facebook group & 'the list' but that was because I was on it. In this case, I was targeted by Labour members acting in their capacity as Labour members. I therefore felt I had a right to complain.

If you are complaining about 'bringing the party into disrepute' or breaking other party rules then I suppose the LP may wonder what it was to do with you (to be blunt). There's a danger mass complaints from non-members just look like bullying and lose impact.

I suppose there could be some argument that Labour voters or 'natural supporters' have a stake in how the party is approaching women's rights. You could also argue that behaviour like this is a barrier to you joining the party - particularly if you have been a member in the recent past.

Sorry I'm not sure that answered your question OlennasWimple

I'm not a member.
I'm contacting as a voter as it is effecting my voting intention.

I'm still a member and going to complain.

There is an abundance of evidence of totally inappropriate behaviour.

Flag this nonsense to Piers Morgan.

The Lily Madigan tweet may be something to do with Miranda Yardley - there seems to be something going on.

Lifelong - thanks. I think you're right - a complaint needs to have a proper "hook" in order to be taken seriously and not just dismissed as terfy bullying

@Patodp Which candidate and where?

Nicholas Davies from Hastings and Rye Labour Party

Has anyone received a response to their complaint about "the list" yet?

Someone told me last week they did not think current Labour were 'Far Left' at all - I was a bit stuck for an answer - can someone inspire to the reasons why they are far left wing ?

Having a problem with Anti-Semitism, Women etc - I guess doent make them far left per se - so what does far left actually mean ?

Nothing has changed for women. All parties have always pissed on us from a height. I will ALWAYS vote because of the struggle women had to get the vote. Our struggle isn't physical at least is it? I will vote Labour to get the Tories out for the general good. I have been politically homeless for years and years- I am post-political. But I WILL VOTE LABOUR TO GET THE TORIES OUT

But I WILL VOTE LABOUR TO GET THE TORIES OUT

Good for you. I won't vote Labour until the current leadership go.

Not sure why you are shouting.

Any other new member campaigning against a Labour candidate and trying to remove long standing activists, would be considered a Tory plant.

governess, I'll have a go, I'm not sure they're far left, but re-nationalisations for example were abandoned by new labour because they weren't a priority, and people generally didn't care much about them as opposed to raising benefits and living standards for the poorest. This created a schism between 'old labour' and 'new labour' as some of the party never wanted to accept de-nationalisations:

So I might say that moderate left wingers (such as myself) take a pragmatic view of doing what works, which can include private sector finance, market based solutions, but the more left wing, like Corbyn, McCluskey, McDonell seem to have little faith in markets or capitalism, that i can discern. Generally they're happy with more state control, regardless of whether that works well in practice, or not.

So you can say that the left can be described as all wanting the best for the many, not the few, but the 'far left' always believe the answer to be government intervention, whereas the more moderate are open to pragmatic solutions.

The right extremes of the tory party, to close the loop, put more faith in market solutions than those of the tories in the soft right who recognise there are many market failures the state can help to correct.

at least that's how I saw that.

botanist that's how I see it too - rhetoric such as "irreversible re-nationalisation" implies a degree of state intervention that has not been seen in this country for decades.

Of course, it may be just that - rhetoric - but those moderates who support Labour may want to consider what happened in the USA - many of those who voted for him never expected DT to actually fulfil the promises he made during his campaign and have been somewhat surprised that he is.

also think people have short memories for economics - we moved away from government control of the economy partly because it was discredited. That said, we need better solutions to runaway house prices, the un-affordability of housing etc for younger people.

I might also add we've seen some of the downsides of PFI and market solutions in the NHS etc, clearly we need better oversight of contracts, many improvements - a second wave of what we've learned about some of the failures of companies involved in the public sector.

I dislike Corbyn et al so much because I don't think they've asked the wrong questions at all, but they are not clever enough in the solutions they're offering. I despair when I talk to my Corbyn loving mates and I get statements about capitalism being bad, and community ownership of everything - pie in the sky stuff.

I'd rather consolidate, refine, improve and make progress on all the gains we have made for social justice and the poorer members of society than lurch for more untested policies. I guess that's why I'm a moderate :)

also hats where is the talent, where are the brains? If we were going to launch a revolution, and we believed that massive amounts of state control ARE the solution, why aren't all the professional experts on their side and jumping up and down for this new 'revolution'?

I don't want to see any more badly written blogs or videos making ridiculous claims by people purporting to experts, I want people with proper policy credentials to come forward and support it.

why aren't all the professional experts on their side and jumping up and down for this new 'revolution'?

both the far left and the far right are guilty of discrediting "experts"; so much so that it's become mainstream now.

I despair at the amount of money being wasted because public opinion refuses to accept objective, independent advice. From tree surveys by Parish Councils, to the appointment of Public Inquiry Judges, there is now so much suspicion of "experts" that every decision taken by public bodies is now challenged, questioned and rejected, no matter how democratic, and objective, the process is.

oh yes, let's not mention the right and brexshit :)

twitter doesn't help either - and this is how we end up with people with no experience running important things. The minimum wage policy was my light-bulb moment - I agree, both labour and the tories in recent times have decided to raise the min wage by dictat without getting the Low Pay Commission to advise, but labour were up for making the biggest (and possibly the most disastrous) untested change.

The SNP were flat wrong about what oil prices would do when indyref was being debated, and afterwards they said 'our estimates were in line with some expert opinions'. So dangerous, being right doesn't matter, as long as you can find one 'expert' that will agree with you then you did your best and that's that. The fact that these things should be done by a balance of what most mainstream experts in the field think doesn't seem to play.

I'm so fed up of Labour, having been the type that would vote for them pretty much no matter what.

The government are handing them own goal after own goal, and they're not capitalizing on it whatsoever. Because Corbyn doesn't really give a shit about Brexit, and would rather appease UKIP voters than left-wing remainers.

And when they're not failing to do anything meaningful about Brexit, they're erasing my existence and endorsing Madigan's hateful Twitter campaigns.

There's very little left to like.

Hi. I came across this thread from UKpollingReport and registered because it’s interesting. Something I wanted to say and a couple of things to ask, if I may.

Firstly, vote how you like but be aware that politicians are interested in power above all else, they wouldn’t be very successful as politicians if this weren’t the case. Therefore if your vote can be taken for granted your opinions are worthless to those seeking election. If you always vote X to stop Y those seeking election as X can safely ignore you.

Isn’t this trans thing just a certain part of feminist theory taken to its logical conclusion? I may have misunderstood this but I read a feminist article that basically said that beyond the physical differences sex was irrelevant and gender was all just a social construct, and that if you couldn’t tell who was a man or a woman simply by looking at them the sexes would do equally well at everything because their would be no sexist discrimination. Now personally I don’t believe for a moment (I believe the sexes are equal but different and left to their own devices will, on average, tend to behave differently and have different life outcomes), but if I’m wrong and the feminist author was right then why couldn’t anyone just pick their own gender simply by declaring it to be so and change it whenever they wanted to too? That seems to be the logical conclusion to ‘gender is a social construct’?

I think self ID will become law in Scotland and is a protected characteristic meaning that saying someone is not the gender they say they are will potentially become a hate crime, what are the views on this?