Labour lose 3 points - ALL women leaving the party

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"The 3-point fall in the Labour share [in You Gov poll] is entirely explained by a 6-point fall among women (from 46% to 40%)"

CON 43 (+1)
LAB 39 (-3)
LD 8 (+2)

@jenniferjames says "Oh fucking hell. I broke the Labour party. :-( "

I've got very mixed feelings. On the one hand - go everyone! They'll have to take notice - surely?

But - Jesus Christ let's not let the Tories have another term.

But - we have to stick up for ourselves don't we.

Starting to think the people who say the rapid rise in TRA ideology is being fuelled by those who stand to benefit from a divided left might have a point.

www.twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/961537001689370624

I didn't imagine Mhairi Black would support trans ideology without consideration for women. Perhaps they meet in the middle somewhere!

I've read in a few places that there is a growing movement for Rees Mogg as Tory Leader - is he viewed as some sort of Trump like figure?

Reese-Mogg appeals to the scarce-in-number younger Tory members; he's got a bit of a cult following amongst the Conservative Interns in Parliament.
I do not believe he is a genuine Leadership contender amongst MPs - although after the last 18 months of politics, I wouldn't be sure of anything anymore.

Why don't all us angry women form our own party!

Or find a party we can get behind!

@OvaHere. Well I would regard that as a net win if the Tories kept Labour out. In a "Lets stay here in the frying pan" sort of way, but still.

I've read in a few places that there is a growing movement for Rees Mogg as Tory Leader - is he viewed as some sort of Trump like figure?

Rees mogg is one of those anti abortion, very conservative religious, bit racist types from what I gather.

I'm quite certain he isn't racist. In fact I'd stake money on it. He is anti-abortion but regards it as a personal religious matter that's never going to make a damned bit of difference in British politics. He certainly doesn't campaign on it. He also believes that if anything, being Christian is a political hindrance these days.

He has a lot of supporters for the reason that he has a great deal of personal and political integrity. You may or may not agree with him but he will give you a straight answer and he is willing to engage in polite civil debate with absolutely anyone. You ask a David Cameron or a Tony Blair about abortion and you'll get a five minute response at the end of which everybody is satisfied and no one is any the wiser. Whereas Mogg will give you a clear reply and accept the political cost. I honestly rather like him.

A lecture of his got stormed by Antifa types a few weeks back and he affably went to reason with them and spoke in their defence on interview afterwards. I don't think he has sought the top-seat or is politically positioned for it, but he's probably one of the best candidates the Tory party has got. Maybe in a few more years.

Interesting thanks. I didn't really know anything about him beyond his name. I'll read up about his views.

I'm not a fan, but Rees-Mogg is an excellent constituency MP from what I've heard.

Labour need to ask "who could win this seat?" when selecting candidates. Sadly I worry that many are so ideologically driven right now that this isn't the case. I also think his fans overestimate the appetite for Corbyn as PM among pretty much everyone other than themselves.

JRM is an utter knob for his anti-democratic filibustering, mind. Even if I shared his beliefs, I'd struggle to support him for that.

Labour need to ask "who could win this seat?" when selecting candidates. Sadly I worry that many are so ideologically driven right now that this isn't the case

Anti-establishment candidates win by mobilising new voters, but then damage the Party reputation through the very anti-establishment conduct that won them the seat in the first place.

Reading all these threads with great interest but I'm really unclear about what is happening with the GRA politically, hope someone on here can clarify. Is there going to be a possible policy change in the near future with regards to the GRA and self ID ? Is this why the SNP have produced their consultation survey ? Would any change happen in Scotland first ? I think this is going to be a hot topic for politicians from all parties and it will be interesting to see how those who are feminists respond.

Violet

The Conservatives until the last few months were the ones pushing for the GRA amendments and self ID. They have backtracked somewhat and it's now on hold, it's unclear why but probably a combination of realising it's not popular with their voter base, too much to deal with re Brexit and maybe DUP influence.

The SNP are now the one's pushing this hard and the wording of their consultation suggests it's pretty much a done deal and they plan to tailor the legislation based on the replies rather than outright scrap it. If it's introduced this is going to put pressure back on the Conservatives and create a bit of a mess as to whether you recognise self ID issued in Scotland when a person crosses the border.

Labour have been attempting to bring in self ID within their own party through the backdoor without any policy sign off which has created a big divide and seen many women leaving the party.

All other parties Libs/Greens/WEP support self ID currently.

That leaves UKIP who I doubt any feminists want to throw their lot in with.

No party seems to have done any type of risk analysis or impact assessment of self ID with respect to women and girls. This is one of the biggest issues - you cannot dispense with biological sex categories without huge ramifications and at the moment it appears virtual no political party gives a shit about that.

I'm not a fan, but Rees-Mogg is an excellent constituency MP from what I've heard.
Really? I've heard the opposite!

I'm not a fan, but Rees-Mogg is an excellent constituency MP from what I've heard.

I've heard the same through family. They would never vote for him but he does do a good job apparently.

Really? I've heard the opposite

He's very popular. He's very involved in his constituency, holds thrice-monthly surgeries you can book in advance, visits local schools, etc. Won overwhelmingly in the last election.

Some people dislike him because he is posh. Others because of his Christian views. But I think he's almost universally considered to be intelligent, dedicated and has a lot of personal and political integrity.

Like someone else said, that filibuster is the main problem I've ever had with him.

I have a lot of issues with the man. But he's still a good MP.

Thanks OvaHere

He is anti-abortion but regards it as a personal religious matter that's never going to make a damned bit of difference in British politics. He certainly doesn't campaign on it.

Apparently he has shares in abortion pills. So that might have something to do with this.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-abortion-pills-abortion-rape-conservative-party-conference-tory-leadership-leader-a7976386.html

But its true that he does not fluff about like the rest of them seem to. I think he would be much better than May, but that doesn't really take much if I am honest..

He has an air of noblesse oblige about him (real or faked), which is lacking in others and could certainly appeal to some.

If you'd told me a few years ago (pre-owned Brexit, pre-Trump) that he might become PM I'd have laughed. I remember the outrage I felt when his candidacy was announced in my constituency; I was offended that the Tories thought he'd do!

*pre-brexit

I wouldn't vote for him. But plenty would, and have.

"Shares in abortion pills" seems something of a stretch. He has money in funds (normal enough) and one of those funds has shares in a pharmaceuticals company that produces pills that are used as abortifacients.

JRM has just replaced BoJo as the Tories' favourite comical posh bloke

Last week's poll may have been a blip? Women Labour voters up five percentage points today.

Thanks for all you are doing JenniferJames. I am astounded that there is not one feminist MP standing up for us or talking about this. Do you know what Jess Phillip thinks of self ID ?

Jess Phillips that should say !

Hey Violet, Jess and most of the other politicians are doing what politicians do... sitting on the fence and waiting to see which way the wind blows. No one wants to be the first one to speak out and endure the pile on. Weathervanes. There are feminists in Labour starting to speak out on this, we just need to keep pushing.

Tony Benn described politicians as either signposts or weather vanes. Corbyn, and Margaret Thatcher are signposts. They know what they believe, have clears aims and are not afraid to state them. They don't need focus group feedback before giving their opinions.

Benn had more respect for signposts. Although he noted, and I agree with him, that Thatcher was a signpost pointing in the wrong direction!