Was Greer Right When She Said Men Hate Women?

[LastGirlOnTheLeft]

I have just skim read The Female Eunuch and like everyone else, the stand out line to me was that men hate us but we aren't aware of the extent, and neither are they!!

Do you think this is true?? My DH, my late father and my brother, all immensely like/d and love/d the women in their lives. I hate to think it is true, but if it is, I want to know! I want to know my enemy.

I think sometimes women are set up to compete with each other, particularly in the workplace, Missymoo. And men are just fine with that

Missymoo100

Then that's your experience. I certainly haven't had that experience but even so it does not equate to women being as violent as men or the aim of the thread to discuss mens hatred of women. Women don't die because of other women.

I think some of it stems from being younger. I read a study that said female children are more likely to form social hierarchy and feel a need to pick on a subordinate even in friendship groups. I has experience of frenemies and I think it makes me assume that women can be untrustworthy, cruel and bitchy.

Thanks Quentin!
I might post, one day, when there aren’t as many women hating people posting!!

I think this affects how women treat other women, the need to develop bonds by bitching about a subordinate

I feel threatened by men and women in different ways-
I can shrug off men saying "get your tits out love" but some real emotional hurt has been caused by the women in my life

Once again, the "get your tits out" was aimed at a CHILD. why are you repeatedly ignoring this?

Also am lolling at the idea that women are keen to form hierarchies, what like men don't, you mean? That's a joke, right?

Up a bit late-
I wasn't talking about your example I was responding to something another poster said ffs.
And yes I do think women form hierarchies and assert dominance over each other and are cruel to one another- I don't see what you find so funny

I think if men dislike one another- they are likely to confrontational. If women don't like each other they form cliques and bitch

I find your implication that this is a female characteristic funny.

The consequences of male hierarchy are things like murder, war, slavery, subjugation of women, etc etc

But yeah let's ignore that.

I also think I'm the only person on the thread who has used a man shouting "get your tits out" as an example. Which you have repeatedly ignored as being aimed at a child.

well if you want to look at inequality in the workplace then yes women can be an obstacle to other women.
How can you determine if men hate women without looking at the other variable, the comparison?

Up a bit late-
For goodness sake, I'm not talking about your example- the thread doesn't revolve around you

What gives anyone the right to say to a school child 'nice tits love'

It's as abhorrent as f***g

Ugghh, I give up- it wasn't in reference to that, it was intended as what I said

Ten years ago I think I’d have said no.

Now, I think she’s right. I’ve heard too many ‘really nice guys’ say things that I’ve found very troubling and seen too many things from casual abuse to really terrible behabiour in life, to truly horrific on the news.

Some men of my acquaintance were talking last year in my earshot and the question of ‘if you absolutely would never get caught would you...?’ Came up. Started off quite silly with trivial things, then into criminality.

More of them (I think 11/13) said yes to rape than murder. It truly chilled me. Because that means the urge is there suppressed only by consequence. I think even our western and law abiding society runs on a thin veneer of vey dark urges. Fuck knows what it’s like where there’s no rule of law (incidentally an excuse trotted out by oxfam -‘ working in places with no rule of law’ what about your innate morality you fuckers??)

And no, I’m sure not every single male of the planet is in a state of fuming rage towards women. I’m sure some genuinely love them. However I think those men are a minority.

I think if men dislike one another- they are likely to confrontational. If women don't like each other they form cliques and bitch
Having worked in a male dominated field as well as a female dominated field I can attest that back biting and forming cliques is much more common among men than women.
Calling it guy stuff and boys clubs doesn't change the fact that they are forming cliques and bitching.

Thebewilderness- I have in my experience found the opposite to be true having had a few jobs

A few years ago I would have said no. The older I get, the more I understand exactly where Greer is coming from. I think of all the times I have been threatened/groped/put down/talked over/bullied/made to feel uncomfortable and guess what? All male. Obviously NAMALT however the fact is men commit murder, violent crimes and sex crimes at a higher rate than women and the vast majority of those crimes committed against women are by men.

I no longer give a shit whether this fact makes men uncomfortable. It's a male problem and if they don't want to face that reality, they're part of the problem

I have, in my long career experience, found the opposite of you Missy, having had a few jobs myself.

So your assertion of these male and female behaviors being universal are based on your experiences in spite of evidence to the contrary? Excellent.

I no longer give a shit whether this fact makes men uncomfortable. It's a male problem and if they don't want to face that reality, they're part of the problem

Wisdom comes with experience, knowledge and intelligence. I agree totally Chief

I too no longer give a shit.

Well what I have described is called relational aggression it's been studied scientifically and is more common in females,
So while men are more physically aggressive, social/relational aggression is attributed to females.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relational_aggression

I don't think you are being very honest if your saying female-female hostility doesn't exist. Likewise how does your personal experience invalidate mine?

direct physical aggression is more common among boys and indirect aggression is more common among girls. In another study by Baldry[22] it was found that boys are more likely to engage in bullying behaviors such as threats, physical harm, rejection, and name-calling, while girls are most likely to use name-calling, teasing, rumors, rejection, and taking personal belongings. Based on these findings, girls do seem to use relational aggression more than boys.