Woman's Place UK meeting in London, 27 Feb

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Just announced on their twitter and Facebook, Woman's Place UK are doing a meeting in London. If it's anything like the Bristol event it will sell out....

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-making-a-stand-tickets-42865237078

because they have a defined scale of the oppressed, and men from misogynistic cultures come above women, especially white women. Remember Gaby Hinsliffe's article shortly after in the Guardian (of course) which did a nice bit of victim blaming?

To be fair to her, Jess Philips was pointing out that white men in Birmingham also assault women on nights out and that this is not a "dark-skinned man" problem, it's a "man" problem.

What basil said

well, I know that white men assault women on nights out. But it was crass and stupid to say the scale was comparable.

Datun
There is David Davies and David Davis. It's not good if he's a misogynist though. Is he the one you're talking about?

Maybe my judgement was harsh - to be honest unless someone is consistent with their advocacy of women I don't trust em and wonder what agenda they are pushing. He's contradictory and there's some red flags which makes me wary of him - like:

1. See article for details but basically he lacks empathy for women:

According to Ms Williams, who attended the meeting as a Safe Lives-trained independent domestic violence advisor (IDVA), the MP began the meeting with a “poorly-judged” opening comment.

“He said ‘obviously something must have been done to warrant losing custody of the children,’” said Ms Williams.

“In domestic abuse, the perpetrators are manipulative of the victim and the services that deal with the case.

“For him to be so blatant in letting those words leave his mouth, we couldn’t believe it – we nearly walked out. A bit of empathy wouldn’t have gone amiss. www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/15553200.Domestic_violence_campaigner_says_Gwent_Tory_MP__lacks_empathy__with_victims/

1. "Davies suggested victims of crime should not be provided with interpreters so that the police could save money. Conservative MEP for North West England, Sajjad Karim, described Davies' suggestion as "disturbing" and "ignorant". When comedian Matt Lucas described the suggestion as "fascistic", Davies responded by calling Lucas a "moron" and a "leftie luvvie"

1. Although Parliament has banned new MPs from employing family members since June 2017, Davies continues to employ his wife as a part time Office Manager.

To be fair to him, Philip Davies has probably influenced me against anyone with a similar surname (j/k ) - I may have misplaced some of my anger with his antics onto David Davies. The latter sounds to me like Peterson, Shapiro etc - conservative men who speak out about Trans but who lack empathy for women's subjugation and don't recognise the patriarchal forces at play that benefit them at women's expense

So, would you care to give me a 'feminist' MP that unequivocally spoke up for women after Cologne NYE? Because I didn't hear them.

womanformallyknownaswoman

Oh Lord. It's really hard to find men who get it. They are as rare as hens teeth.

The latter sounds to me like Peterson, Shapiro etc - conservative men who speak out about Trans but who lack empathy for women's subjugation and don't recognise the patriarchal forces at play that benefit them at women's expense

Yes, I agree with that.

Men who disagree with the Trans ideology are good for the course, but a swift bit of due diligence, often reveals motives completely unaligned with feminism.

Datun
Oh Lord. It's really hard to find men who get it. They are as rare as hens teeth.

Aren't they just! I am curious if they actually exist - seriously.

As a case in point, I have having an on-going conversation with a younger guy (30) who I have got to know as we're in the same profession. He said to me recently when I was talking about the impact of DV on women "How do these women get themselves in these situations". I challenged him and he floundered and although apologised eventually it was was of those non apologies - sorry if it triggered you etc. I went no contact for a while and have re-engaged as I am curious as whether I can break through somehow or whether I am up against his internal psychology (which a psychiatrist friend said sounds confused) plus understand how much is male socialisation. I am continuing dialoging with him because I believe he's trying to understand but actually can't! But I also know he's not the only one - all the guys I talk to lack empathy it seems.

Maybe I should start another thread - would love your experience and comments.

to be fair to your colleague, women as well as men say that sort of thing, and also 'why doesn't she just leave' and 'how can she put the man first instead of her children'- I think you have to take an active interest, or be personally involved, in DA to understand the dynamics. A great one I heard of (from a woman), regarding women in refuge was 'do you find it tends to be mostly single mums?'

I want to come to the next one. So does my Mum . How do we find out about it?

It sounds bloody marvellous! I am sick of sitting behind a screen discussing this. I want to DO something.

Agree that I struggle to understand why women stay with abusive men. My logical brain knows they probably had poor parental role models and low self confidence and are unlikely to be financially independent but as I can't ever imagine myself in that position I can't really have empathy for them.

It's the gaslighting mainly.

They are really good at convincing you it's
A) you're fault
B) it's not that bad
C) you should be grateful for how amazing they are.

Combine that with financial dependence and being isolated from you're friends....

That's pretty much how come so many stay.

*Socialism and intersectional feminism are, broadly, the same thing: egalitariansim.

The only thing that matters in ANY egalitarian movement is that its members put all their shoulders to the wheel! We keep going.

Solidarity.*
Jennifer James Did you mis- post to MN and mean to go to a labour party forum? If not will you please bin your mindless slogans?
Other people who post make an effort to form original and pertinent posts. So should you.

Apologies if this has already asked. Is there videos of the three speakers speaking at this event? I have searched and cannot find! I would like to watch again and show my mum and her partner who I am getting to peak trans, although they are lesbians who don't want penis so I do have a head start ;-)

A Woman's Place put their videos on youtube:
www.youtube.com/channel/UCzFqsUqDzyXEQMJVy42NwUw/videos

Not up yet but there are a good few videos from other events which should keep you going until they update.

Have you shown your mum Magdalen's videos?
www.youtube.com/channel/UCvTTakI97sQ4SkMnsH8r0qQ/videos

Thank you, introduced them to PeachyYoghurt's videos today - such a good place to start I felt :-)

PeachYoghurt is amazing, and I'd never seen her videos before someone linked them on this thread.

I think I'm her newest, biggest fan now.

Recognise anyone from the London meeting?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3186260-Free-speech?msgid=76136176#76136176

Review of meeting by the blogger Goodness Grief

Love this quote

......while a representative from MumsNet received possibly the biggest cheer of the evening as she issued a warning to the Labour Party not to ignore the extent to which they had pissed off highly-organised mums up and down the country who don't want their young daughters sharing changing rooms with male bodies. That was one other thing I learned that night: MumsNetters are a rowdy and powerful bunch who are not to be ignored on the false assumption that all they do is chat about nappy rash. They are getting themselves seriously organised behind the scenes and I wouldn’t be surprised if they triggered a revolution that no-one in this debate sees coming.