Tamsin sutherland

[iamawoman]

countrysquire.co.uk/2017/10/28/transinister/

Interesting and thoughtful article

Rowdywoman - yes, its deeply insidious, but I live in hope that people will come to their senses.

I have no intention of sending my child into mainstream education, and even more so now that this bullshit is being peddled in schools.

Agreed conservativeuterus

I know some of them. Ideologues... fanatics.

There's good money in it too. I was ordered by a UK Family Court to 'detransition' in 2003 when I won custody of my son - I agreed wholeheartedly, my son was 10 and he needed his Dad. My responsibility.

The Judge said that a child of that age didn't need to know about such things... that it would be confusing. I happen to agree.

The case, though - does set a legal precedent for anyone wanting to avoid having their kids indoctrinated against their will - and I am more than happy to provide details.

Thanks T for coming back to us. I am late to the party in regards to the transgender mass hysteria - it was only when i heard about a lesbians being labelled transphobic for not willing to enter into relationships with self iding "women" and that women may no longer be referred to as mothers so as not to exclude the trans population that i noticed something scary going on, and it is quite frightening to think that my children could have this dysfunctional ideology preached at school under the guise of diversity - i have already been labelled a transphobe by a friend for posting on fb some feminist arguments why transwomen arent women - and it saddens me that she seems to be missing the bigger picture - that yes there needs to be more acceptance for people who are trans / gnc but not at the expense of every women which seems to be the goal. Its interesting you mentioned about the breaking down of mother / father - i agree if you take their logic or lack of it that no one will be able to be referred to as anything that might actually denote who they are. I am surprised that none of them have sued their parents yet for raising them as the wrong gender! Apologies as i dont write as articulately as some of you on here but gender politics is not normally something i spend much time thinking about until recently - but now i have seemed to have got the rage -#indiawilloughbyfeelssorryforabusivemen

We used to call these people 'gay transvestites', and simply - that is exactly what they are. They are remarkably cruel to those they don't like - but heck, you all already knew that, didn't you?

Don't we know it..though personally most abuse I have had comes from 'transbians' (straight males) and the most vicious of it is when you mention anything to do with female homosexuality, especially if you happen to say that no dicks are allowed.

The problem with India Willoughby is she is experiencing what it is like to live as an older woman. Past the flush of youth we slowly notice ourselves become more and more invisible to society generally.

If like me you’ve had your fill of trying to be a pretty little thing, then actually that feels pretty good. I am in a committed relationship with two small children. I don’t need validation from men that I look okay on a day to day basis, I know I look a bloody mess. But I think if I were someone that had fantasised about living as a woman for a long time I’d probably be pretty excited about putting the make up and heels on and getting myself a few glances. Sadly I think she’s come outside blinking into the sunshine to find out that most of the men are staring at women twenty years younger.

Absolutely SleepFreeZone

This was really obvious in CBB. India, like so many of these middle aged born again transwomen they don't seem to realise that women over 40 are truly the invisible bottom rung of society. India seemed to think they were equivalent to Ashley and Jess when really it would be more Rachel and Maggie.

Hence why she then became incredibly dramatic and bitter. It’s a really shitty feeling to get no attention whatsoever when that’s all you want. I was a chubby, plain teenager and clearly remember all my friends getting chatted up and being totally ignored by the cool boys. Luckily I eventually became quite attractive so at least I feel as though I had some time in the warmth of the sun 😜

Indeed OnTheList this spurious notion of 'the cotton ceiling' is exactly the kind of rhetoric that I can see leading to corrective rape for the crime of having a 'transphobic genital fetish' if allowed to run it's course.

I recently read a piece by one of these lunatics in which the writer fantasised about severing the hand of 'TERFS' and ripping their tongues out to use as sex toys.

No shit.

It's utterly unhinged lunacy. Depraved and degenerate. It all goes on behind metaphorical closed doors on obscure Tunmblr forums and Discord servers. Nefarious indeed.

Where does this hatred come from though ? Is it self loathing that they know they can never be a woman in any real sense and therefore they hate us even more for it.

Just waving hello and place marking! Long time lurker, loads of mountaineering experience on Peak Trans and RTFT avidly.

Who knew Country squire could be so intertesting! I thought it would be all farming and stuff...

dailycaller.com/2015/11/02/colleges-project-vulva-attacked-for-transphobia/

I cant believe they are backing down on this !!

And did you see the link at the bottom - (RELATED: UCLA Paper Apologizes For Saying Women Menstruate)!! UCLA

Can someone explain why decorating a cupcake with a vulva is violence against transwomen? I genuinely couldn’t fathom it. Are they saying that because they have a penis women aren’t allowed to celebrate a vulva? Something like that? 🤔

iamawoman

This is classic postmodernist Neomarxist shaming reminiscent of the Maoist 'struggle sessions'.

It's a power grab, pure and simple, nothing more. The very worst kind of politicking prompted by the very worst kind of politics.

#ItsOkToBeTransphobic

I'm afraid that if you REALLY want to put an end to this, women everywhere are going to have to abandon Intersectional 3rd Wave Feminism. And quick. Just put it down and back away, then stand your ground.

I've not really been out for a year now, as I don't want to use the Ladies facilities - and I certainly don't want to use the Gents - I'd be happy with a third gender neutral option.

Sadly, you cannot subscribe to so-called 'intersectionality' and oppose this at one in the same time.

One does not cherry-pick Marxist ideology - you are either idologically pure - or you eventually go to the Gulag - if you are lucky. If not you end up with a bullet in the back of the head and a mass grave.

History should already have taught us ALL this lesson.

The Universities have become cesspits of postmodern thought - or brainwashing, as I prefer to call it.

Womankind in the Western world have simply never, EVER had it so good in the entire history of Humankind. If allowed to continue at this unbridled pace, we shall ALL find ourselves back in the Dark Ages before too long.

Now that's something to wave your rainbow flag and feel 'pride' in, eh?

I know it's a bitter pill - one I swallowed 5 years ago. This whole thing is societal cancer - and the only cure available is extremely harsh, in an ideological sense. I implore people to think both long and extremely hard about it all - educate yourselves about the roots of postmodernism, keep your children close, and don't allow them to become infected by this virulent mind-virus.

Sorry.

Just posting quickly as I have to do some work and this issue has been wiping me out to be honest (and I know you all know how I feel because you feel the pain, frustration, white hot rage and sadness too). I'm posting to say thanks to InfamousT for coming on and for her compelling contributions. We don't have to agree on everything but I find every contribution to this issue important and it is particularly gratifying to read eloquent thoughts of someone who has seen the inside of this insidious cult of identity.

On the subject of media and political kowtowing to the trans Orwellian newsspeak I was listening to a podcast on Women's Liberation News (recommended by someone here on the podcast thread) and edition 16: Money Behind the Transgender Movement had a midwife on who talked about the wealthy men behind this (some may surprise, others not so much) and I wonder how much the power of these influential wealthy men is behind the fear in the media. I'd advise everyone to have a listen. As InfamousT does here, it suggests a more sinister reason behind the whole movement and why it has so much money and influence.

@SleepFreeZone that's exactly it. Never mind all the penis drawings in the toilets - they are left out and reminded how they are not women (except transwomen are women) so it hurts their feelings.

InfamousT thanks for weighing in. I'm horrified and yet not surprised at the conclusions you've drawn with regards to the end game here. I've seen several similar conclusions from different sources (Jordan Peterson springs to mind), and am trying to catch up with these terms.

I think it's too easy to feel overwhelmed or scared. I want to do something. I've been inoculating my DC against this dogma for starters, although I would rather protect them from it. But if I stay silent I am complicit. I'm not on social media.

@infamousT have you considered writing a book? Apologies if you already have!

Your posts really resonate with me. Women have never had it so good and the foundation is so shaky. It takes a justice system, education, healthcare , child care system to allow us any kind of life... easily taken down and easily threatened... and it's only been good for around 100 years (give or take) as opposed to the patriachy which has a head start of a few millennia.

I'm afraid that if you REALLY want to put an end to this, women everywhere are going to have to abandon Intersectional 3rd Wave Feminism. And quick. Just put it down and back away, then stand your ground.

And yes, that is not my feminism. I'm an older woman and have always been a radical feminist. I find intersectionality in modern feminism quite confusing. My feminism centres women be they black, Asian, Islamic, trans men, lesbian, bi or straight - it just centres women - biological women. I can sympathise with , campaign for and support other causes but my feminism is about women only.

InfamousT you fit in so well here!

So nice to have an opportunity to discuss the meta-issues (thanks to MN) when it currently seems we are being sprayed with trans bullets - putting me in reactive mode (eg-Rose McGowan, Andi Dier & the silencing of women victims, Karen Ingala-Smith, India Willoughby & the terrorising of women seeking refuge from violence).

What a welcome relief.

Your intellectual independence and turns of phrase are appreciated. 'Rainbow Reich' - how apt.

I hope you'll stick around.

I've not really been out for a year now, as I don't want to use the Ladies facilities

The thing is, T, before all this madness, people like you were welcome in the ladies loos.

I hate it that this honour system has been demolished because of insane demands by a load of MRAs in lipstick.

a load of MRAs in lipstick.

An old friend of mine came to visit the other day and she knows nothing about this (her career is all-consuming, caring and she hasn't got anything left in her to keep up with current affairs).

We were discussing the current generation of gender-bending males and how we actually find them intimidating when we bump into them in public.

Its not like the 'New Romantics' or something where you felt men were being a bit dandy-like and glamorous. These current men with beard/lipstick/eyeshadow/dress combo have a threatening presence and we found it hard to put our finger on what it is.

My friend said it is the fact that they are big males, with broad shoulders, big hands, and a huge sense of entitlement.

But I detect some deep misogyny in it. The way they subtly relate to women in public spaces you can sense a "come and have a go if you think your hard enough" confrontation about it. They are almost daring you or goading you to say "piss off out of appropriating womanhood you prick" - just so that they can self righteously knock you out in front of your kids. They use their wearing of women's clothes as a form of public male domination.

She's the first person I have spoken about that with.

GuardianLions

I agree with that. I think they hate women, for a variety of reasons.

It's not specific to the female genitalia that they can't have.

I should imagine it's far more to do with the sexual gatekeeping they think women are intent on.

And the resentment manifests as wanting to strip women of their autonomy and their rights.

The way to do that is to blur the biological distinctions, so that men can be the same as women, and then usurp them.

It's very chilling to me, because I think the ultimate goal after replacing women is complete control of them.

I've not really been out for a year now, as I don't want to use the Ladies facilities

See the terrifying thing about this statement is that it so easily could be all of us here on mn soon. I have already decided that if the time comes that self id becomes a thing, I will rarely go out. I can't imagine going to the cinema/pool/gym (I don't go to a gym anyway but you know) pub/library/cafe/shopping etc and finding a man in the toilets or changing room.
So either I go out less and for shorter periods or find a way of not requiring a changing room or toilet.
If I a white woman who in the scheme of things is quite far up the food chain have to change my entire life around for self id, how can other women even leave the house.
I post links on my Facebook, it's a drought of replies and no questions have yet been raised, but I am trying.
Quite angry at the way this whole thing is going but also quite scared that we women won't win this war, and if we do, the money and power behind this will start yet another war on us.