I've reached trans peak

[GrooovyLass]

I have always been supportive of people living their lives how they need to. I have a lovely colleague who is a transwoman and DD's best and most brilliant teacher at school was a transman.

I don't think I've changed my opinion that people with actual gender dysmorphia should be helped to transition. I also think that people should be able to wear what they want and look like what they want.

I've scanned a few threads in this section and found myself agreeing more and more with the comments about "self identifying" but the Rose McGowan clip has definitely made me reach peak trans. These people aren't women and they're not even transwomen, they're men in dresses. I have nothing against a man wearing a dress but a man wearing a dress, trying to look like a particular type of stereotypical woman and screaming that he's a woman is just a man screaming at a woman.

They dress like their idea of a woman, they say that they are women but the male privilege to be heard the loudest and the longest belies what they're saying.

Thanks for reading if you have. I just wanted to share my enlightenment without hijacking anyone else's thread (because I'm a woman so I'm polite!) but I've a feeling that the paragraphs I've written in will disappear when I post.

I had to look that up to get your point, rick, I didn’t know what it meant.

Wow, I do now. It’s always anime, isn’t it? dead giveaway.

Cotton ceiling was my peak trans moment too.

One of my best friends; one of the people I trust the most in the entire world and someone I consider a godfather to my daughter is a trans man. I support him; I see him as male (because he's been living that way for as long as I've known him), I've seen him go through surgery and hormones and he's spoken honestly and openly about how he feels and I am 100% supportive of what he is doing.

I have still reached peak trans. I consider myself an intersectional feminist, but I do not believe that individuals with penises who consider it their right to stick those penises in lesbian women and to hell with how the women feel about it, can call themselves feminists. Therefore my intersectionality tends towards women of colour, whose fight for recognition and rights has been totally overshadowed by transactivism, and lesbian and bisexual women who are called transphobes, bigots and worse for not wanting to have sex with a self-declared "woman with a penis".

I am not transphobic. I am not scared of trans people; I don't think they are "less than" other people, I don't want them to die or whatever the Tumblr TAs think we all sit around at night praying for. I am anti-transactivism, anti-male violence even when it's dressed in a skirt, anti-sexual abuse being dressed up as tolerance and anti-erosion of women's rights to protect the feelings of someone who grew up with male privilege, no matter how much they try to pretend they didn't.

Well said YassQueen.

Thanks for the link. I watched that and I'll watch more from her after work.

I did wonder if when TIMs say that lesbians "should" have sex with transwomen they were including themselves - ie TIMs should be having sex with TIMs - but I'm not in the least bit shocked that a pp has said they don't...

Ps, welcome to Mount Peak Trans, OP! It’s a slog getting here, but my word what a clear view of the world you get from the top

And the air is so much cleaner

"Ps, welcome to Mount Peak Trans, OP! It’s a slog getting here, but my word what a clear view of the world you get from the top"

"And the air is so much cleaner"

Beautifully put.

so many transwomen who are absolutely totally women, aren't saying anything about their right to have relationships with heterosexual men. Isn't that who the majority of real women (like transwomen are) prefer to have relationships with
The TIMs really know how to cherry pick don't they🙄

If a TIM identifies as gay then surely another TIM would be a pretty good fit for him?
I wonder if there are any TIMs in relationships with other TIMs?

I wonder if there are any TIMs in relationships with other TIMs?

I doubt it because the vast majority of TIMs keep their cocks and these TIMs aren't interested in cock. They like women.

Oh but hang on I thought that trans w...

And their argument goes up in a puff of smoke.

But I guess that's why it doesn't get discussed, and why women are silenced on it, because if these questions were asked out loud, then the fatal flaw in the plan would be exposed.

Transwomen lesbians looking for lesbians, but, unaccountably, saying 'no trans-women please'. So only a certain type of lesbian.

So "technically female" lesbians have to accept cock and like it, but "technically male" lesbians don't have to do that?
That's a great new rule the trans people have thought up.

I doubt it because the vast majority of TIMs keep their cocks and these TIMs aren't interested in cock. They like women
so back to the familiar thing of men seeing women as a resource to which they feel they have a right of access
when the women in question arent interested in them as sexual partners they are accused of discrimination...as if women are obliged to share out sexual favors so that all men get to have a turn or something
urggh

Just hit peak trans - Women's Aid is thinking of employing people with fully functional male tackle in refuges. What the ....? I am very sympathetic to anyone with gender dysphoria - my ex went through it, and it was genuinely hellish. I don't know if they are at peace with themselves now or not - I think probably not. All kindness and gentleness is due to anyone who hates the body they were born with that much. But that doesn't mean you get to go work in refuges whilst you are still physically male! Jeez....not hard to understand is it?

when the women in question arent interested in them as sexual partners they are accused of discrimination...

Yep. One of my friends is a woman who has never so much as held hands with a boy, let alone anything more. She has always known she was gay.

I think if a TIM tried teling her she had to have sex with his ladydick she'd laugh in his face.

Been lurking a while on these threads and like many thought it was all a bit transphobic and nasty. Those who are trans have huge struggles, we should support everyone. Then it clicked, what self ID meant- it was the Labour thing, the "no pussy hats" on the march, finding out about the cotton ceiling, the harassment of women for not being transphobic- just stating facts, Women's Aid... My head is spinning. How have we got to this point and when will the tide turn. Surely this cannot continue like this?
Just watched a couple of videos by Magdalene Berns. She's pretty amazing isn't she.
I'm going back to lurking now. I need to convince DH about my view. I tried before but he didn't get it.

Welcome Fluffy don't go back to totally lurking. Posting here, even if occasionally, will help keep you sane!

If it's any consolation, fluffy, it's not you. It's crazy-making stuff and yours is the sane reaction. Welcome to Mount Peak Trans - the air is thin but bracing, the view is fabulous, and we have vin chaud

How have we got to this point

Well you said it yourself. We all, generally, like to be kind and considerate and comapssionate to those we see as fighting their own particular battles. We don't want to be nasty.

And because, as women, we've been socialised to be nice and subservient to men...

And because it's all going on behind the scenes. Most people I speak to IRL don't have a clue about any of this!

Welcome to the club! It is thanks to the lovely posters at MN that I have learnt about trans ideology and how ridiculous it is.

Kate McKinnon was declared transphobic because she said she had never touched a penis. Now, every time her name is mentioned a trans advocate reminds everyone that she is transphobic and needs to be boycotted until she apologizes to the "trans community" whatever that is.
That was just one of the many peak trans moments I have had in the past thirty five years of wondering where this madness will end.

I know a transwoman who wants to sleep with lesbians and who is very put out that they don't want to sleep with her. I am now seriously considering that she widen the field to include TIM. After all, she although she has a working penis and testicles, she considers herself female so there should not be a problem sleeping with other women with cocks and balls, right?

It would be worth it just to see her head explode trying to work out the logic of why that would not be acceptable.

correction

I am seriously considering suggesting.

I need to convince DH about my view
if he accepts that TIMs are women you could ask him how he'd feel about having a relationship with one?