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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lily Madigan has published an article.

492 replies

UpstartCrow · 01/02/2018 00:09

www.youngfabians.org.uk/transmisog

''100 years on since the first women got the vote, there are still inequalities in the feminist movement. Why are some feminists still failing transwomen?

The evidence is there if you look for it – Transphobic leaflets being given out in the safe zone at Labour annual conference; prominent party feminists suggesting violence against transwomen; someone being kicked out of a Labour Women’s Network party for harassing a teenage trans woman; fundraisers being started to try and legally challenge Labours trans-inclusive policies; transwomen being excluded from Labour run women’s events by a women’s officer. The list goes on.

Most state their actions aren’t transphobic at all, but they are merely seeking the protection of women’s spaces. Some go further, suggesting transwomen are men’s right activists working purposely to erode women’s hard won protects. They commonly misgender people like me as a means to belittle our experiences and score social media points. And so I think its fair we question how much authority they have as cis-women to decide whether they are being transphobic.''

It continues in this vein.

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Sevendown · 01/02/2018 06:20

Men silencing women

Nothing’s changed

iamawoman · 01/02/2018 06:32

Its all about trans.........
Labour womens officer is no platforming women

Collidascope · 01/02/2018 06:43

"Some go further, suggesting transwomen are men’s right activists working purposely to erode women’s hard won protects."

Madigan:
Makes jokes about rape and Jimmy Saville
Whinges about men not being allowed to do Race for Life
Decides he's a woman, hounds women who disagree with him and takes positions that should be occupied by women
Consequently ignores all women's issues and focusses solely on things affecting TIMs.

Traffig · 01/02/2018 06:46

Now I am going to spend all day looking as if I have swallowed a wasp*.Angry

Pah! to Corbyn suggesting (Andrew Marr show) that Linda Bellos comes to "talk" with him.
Big boys pants on Corbyn and seek her out and LISTEN to her and ACT upon her advice..

*(Not WASPI... < already self identified as)

NaturalWoman · 01/02/2018 07:01

Where are his parents in all this? I mean, I know he's a big boy of 19 now and getting to grips with the adult world, but surely they should have some sort of role in guiding him.

backaftera2yearbreak · 01/02/2018 07:14

Here’s a nice article from the Edinburgh evening news bit.ly/2GCxHlW

AdalindSchade · 01/02/2018 07:19

He's fallen out with his parents to nobody's surprise.

This is so pathetic. He's a liar and a self obsessed delusional fool. He has a MASSIVE platform for someone so inexperienced and uninteresting.

Stopmakingsense · 01/02/2018 07:32

Here's a good article written by an AGP transwoman which describes why Labour (and the world) is falling for this, LM is a prime example:

unremediatedgender.space/2018/Jan/dont-negotiate-with-terrorist-memeplexes/

Stopmakingsense · 01/02/2018 07:35

Quote:
Here's one: "You are a member of marginalized identity group Y; anyone who notices facts that could be construed to call this narrative into question is thereby hurting you by invalidating your identity."

A human who has accepted—who has been taken hostage by—this idea, will feel genuine pain and distress whenever anyone notices facts that could be construed to call the narrative into question. And so the human's friends, who love and care about them, will dutifully make sure to pretend not to notice any inconvenient facts, and socially punish anyone who doesn't pretend not to notice, in order to avoid hurting their friend.

Just like they would pay the ransom if their friend were kidnapped by terrorists.

And with no one willing to mention any inconvenient facts for fear of being socially punished, the meme spreads

LostSight · 01/02/2018 07:41

Glad to see Lily is concentrating on getting more women into the Labour Party!

ShotsFired · 01/02/2018 07:47

They commonly misgender people like me as a means to belittle our experiences

That would be your experiences of living and being socialised as a young boy, a teenage boy and now a teenage trans woman?

Pray tell me how you have experienced life as we have so you feel qualified to tell me what it's like.

Fekko · 01/02/2018 07:49

Has there been a counter to her article? (Who gives a bloody kid column inches??? Pandering pandering pandering).

stoneagefertilitydoll · 01/02/2018 07:58

They commonly misgender people like me as a means to belittle our experiences

Or, you know, because that's how English works.... female == she, male == he.

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 01/02/2018 08:02

Thanks Stopmakingsense, that’s a very thought provoking article.

AdalindSchade · 01/02/2018 08:09

Nobody is belittling Liam's experiences. We are just correctly describing them as the experiences of a boy and young man.

SuburbanRhonda · 01/02/2018 08:11

back

I like that article - informative for those new to this alternative reality, but readable too. Especially enjoyed this:

“Jeremy Corbyn, who self-identifies as a future prime minister”

Datun · 01/02/2018 08:17

I don't know whether Lily published that of their own volition.

I sincerely hope it hasn't been sanctioned by anyone who can actually read.

The rage over being thwarted is palpable. Coming across loud and clear from every line

It really does read like some adolescent 'ganging up' strategy.

I honestly can't be bothered to address it all, but lying seems to be a default position.

Which is difficult to comprehend, given Lily talks on a public platform, to the public, who can all read for themselves.

Studies suggest near half of transexual youth will attempt suicide,

Studies suggest nothing of the kind. They have been numerous articles about it.

And yet again this juvenile, wholly irresponsible promotion of suicide as leverage.

and seek to present me in an unfair light, often pushing lies as fact and allowing me no comment

Lily will block people on their 'public forum - where they are allowed to comment any time day or night' before the person has actually engaged with them, because Lily uses a block list.

If you do ask Lily to comment you will be instantly blocked.

Again, not something that's exactly a secret!

It’s great so many people are joining up to Labour, attracting many people who previously wouldn’t have found a home in the party.

Said the 5000 people who cancelled their subscriptions last week.

I can't believe the Labour Party are aware of this article.

It's making them look like an absolute laughing stock.

Fekko · 01/02/2018 08:23

Maybe Lilly is a infiltrator - there to completely bamboozle the party and drive away members?

AngryAttackKittens · 01/02/2018 08:26

Studies suggest near half of transexual youth will attempt suicide

Speaking of percentages, let's talk about the percentage of trans women who have narcissistic personality disorder, and/or at least one of the other Cluster B disorders. Because it's a lot (last study I saw was at least 50% for NPD plus a grab bag of other Cluster B disorders).

Lily certainly is providing a perfect illustration of that particular set of statistics. Don't you just hate it when people don't do what you want them to, Lily? Doesn't it just make you rage and want to punish them? We know, and now anyone else who read your article does too.

AngryAttackKittens · 01/02/2018 08:27

Also note that lying with no shred of guilt is a feature of most Cluster B disorders.

Datun · 01/02/2018 08:30

Doesn't it just make you rage and want to punish them? We know, and now anyone else who read your article does too.

Exactly. That's why am certain hasn't been sanctioned from above.

Because anyone with a red pen would have gone through it and neutralised the language to make it sound credible.

Even if you've never heard of narcissism, the article comes across as one big tantrum.

MountainsofMars · 01/02/2018 08:34

So feminism of the last 100 years is all about the trans? Actually, Lily might well ask about the support for women who cross-dressed as men in order to get access to male professions, male education, male salary, male training.

But no.

(Hint to Lily: the history of women's thinking and writing about patriarchy goes back far far beyond 100 years - read a book occasionally, there's a dear)

Tinycitrus · 01/02/2018 08:41

I think you are probably giving this young person more attention than is warranted and all it does is confirm to them that they are a victim of transphobia.

Focus on the bigger picture not the individuals within.

AngryAttackKittens · 01/02/2018 08:41

Even if you've never heard of narcissism, the article comes across as one big tantrum.

Yep. You can just picture him stamping his feetsies and throwing his toys at the wall.

Lily may be the best thing that's ever happened to the pushback against TRAs in the UK. There's just no way he comes across as credible to anyone who's not already knee deep in queer theory. He's a petulant, egotistical little brat.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 01/02/2018 08:48

to educated liberals in the Current Year, the injunctive to avoid saying anything that could be construed as transphobic is genuinely more important than defending basic tenets of sanity that should hardly need to be stated, let alone defended, like Words should mean things, or Knowledge is better than ignorance.

This! From the article posted by stopmakingsense. I had one of those 'oh thank god it's not just me going mad' moments reading that