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Labour against transphobia group - thread 2

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QuentinSummers · 24/01/2018 21:14

Follow on from
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3144285-Labour-Against-Transphobia-Facebook-group?msgid=75082467#75082467

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pamish · 26/01/2018 23:42

Ask these (presumably het) DHs if they fancy having sex with a transwoman. And then a self-ID one, who is also a woman of course.
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flapsDentata · 27/01/2018 00:22

Labour suspends activist in transgender row

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/784edb8a-02e1-11e8-9de1-e6776d524215

Justabunchofcunts · 27/01/2018 00:41

My DH also (like me a few weeks ago) had never really thought about it. He is pretty politically aware but had not quite grasped what is actually already happening and has been proposed. Was most surprised to discover GRCers don't all have penises.

He is most bothered by the utter lack of debate. Thinks girls should have the right to penis free changing etc. Would like to see a reasoned debate about it all and thinks it is a shame it has all played out so shouty shouty.

I think he is still digesting some of it.

Justabunchofcunts · 27/01/2018 00:43

Sorry he was surprised that some GRCers do have dicks. Labour has me all confused. #whohasthedicksagain

Justabunchofcunts · 27/01/2018 00:50

Excellent news flaps.

Ding ding the witch is in The Times. Whoops, Labour.

UpstartCrow · 27/01/2018 01:32

EggbertNobacon thats awful, would he really not see a problem if you were in hospital, or needed a smear test?

womanhuman · 27/01/2018 01:42

It took me longer than I’d have liked to persuade DH there was a problem, but the swinging-dick-in-the-changing-room-with-DD-that-we-had-to-pretend-we’d-not-noticed was the clincher.

flapsDentata · 27/01/2018 01:44

Sorry Eggs, want to give you a wee hand squee.

I should be nicer to mine. He totally gets it, and texted his awful Mother to tell her how proud he was of me for raising my voice. And she gets it too. She still doesn’t get me, but she got this.

exLtEveDallas · 27/01/2018 06:27

That's a good article Flaps, thanks for posting it. It doesn't go as far as it could, but at least it gets the issue out there.

FWIW my DH and I are about as far apart politically as you could get, but he gets this, completely. In the past he's rubbished my RadFem leanings, but he peaktransed within minutes of me telling him about Fallon Fox (athough he finds me being on the terfblocker list hilarious rather than sinister).

I'm very open about this at home and DD gets it as well. For her it's a very simple "but that's not fair" - I'm building on that.

GetOffMyTERF · 27/01/2018 06:40

New username as the old one had become rather identifying. How fab that this has hit the Times, was that you flaps?

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 27/01/2018 08:08

My DH says he completely agrees with me. But I'm not sure to what extent he really understands it. He's against men forcing their way into women's spaces etc, and understands why women would be frightened or wary of that. But not the bigger picture, IYSWIM.

AreYouOrHaveYouEverBeenATERF · 27/01/2018 08:18

My DH agrees with me, but I'm not sure he really cares as much as me.

He certainly doesn't want men to just be able to say "I'm a woman" and come into the changing rooms with DD.

Unless you can find an aspect of this that actually affects men, they don't get it. DH got it when I explained about the Top Shop thing - when it's something that affects his DD, then he sees it.

AngryAttackKittens · 27/01/2018 08:22

My DH is 100% on board and thinks the whole thing is ridiculous. He totally gets why I find the issue of AGP men in sex segregated spaces particularly alarming.

LadyDickHead · 27/01/2018 08:25

I'll be having another talk with DH, though he'll just think it's another thing I've got a bee in my bonnet about (nicely patriarchal). I don't think he's aware at all of AGP and probably just thinks all transwomen have gender dysphoria and are attracted to men, so why on earth would they be a threat. To be fair, that's probably pretty much what I thought myself until recently.
Pamish I did ask DH if he'd consider sleeping with a TW but just got an eye roll because they're " legally, not literally women" Hmm

crustychristmastree · 27/01/2018 09:47

pidgeon I had to delete my twitter app after I got sucked into a stupid discussion with a man moaning about how the presidents club stuff "wasn't all men" and what about men's spaces. I left a parting shot and deleted it.

AlllWomenShortbreads · 27/01/2018 09:49

Shock I read the Times article about the TRA shitlist Party and it’s even worse than I thought... !!

It says members of the group include Angela Rayner, the shadow education secretary, and Wes Streeting, Labour MP for Ilford North.

Massive double take here.... ELECTED LABOUR MPs ARE JOINING IN WITH THIS?!!

WTAF. It’s appalling. These are Parliamentarians. What are Labour HQ saying about this? Surely they can’t condone self appointed Facebook vigilantes? Are there not any Labour party or Parliamentary rules against this sort of behaviour?? What about their local Labour constitutency associations?? Shock
MPs just cannot be involved in this sort of undemocratic and un-parliamentary activity.

crustychristmastree · 27/01/2018 09:50

*Has anyone asked on Twitter if transwomen are entitled to paid maternity leave?

If they are not entitled to maternity leave then why not?

Surely men who have self-identified as women can also self-identify as pregnant?*

Utter genius. I can't go back on twitter though. Wish I'd used that in a few debates!

sexnotgender · 27/01/2018 09:51

My DH wants to know why we can’t all discuss it and find a safe space for everyone?

I was like, that’s the point! We want to, the other side are #nodebate

AngryAttackKittens · 27/01/2018 09:52

It's hard to have a discussion with people who keep threatening to kill you.

RedToothBrush · 27/01/2018 09:56

Things that made the penny drop with DH.

Showing him a bunch of homophobic tweets and how widespread it was.

Pointing out he could declare he was a woman at the drop of a hat and there was nothing anyone could do (think of the idea of a stag do, where they all decide the are ladies for the day, so stroll into the changing rooms somewhere for the shits and giggles, and you are 'transphobic' for questioning). Then the next day he could be a full on man again. Its not about trans people, its about men who will exploit it.

Surgery or hormones are not required at all. I think this is one if the big misconceptions.

And the concept of medical consent and how this would go out if the window. With implications particularly for children.

sexnotgender · 27/01/2018 09:56

Indeed.

BeyondWitchbitchterf · 27/01/2018 10:10

My DH was in the "gets it but isn't particularly interested" club, til yesterday - when during a chat he said I hadn't mentioned puberty blockers. And the Scottish thing about schools not having to tell parents.

Now it could potentially affect his kids, i think he's properly peaked.

AreYouOrHaveYouEverBeenATERF · 27/01/2018 10:11

AlllWomenShortbreads - I couldn't agree with you more. It makes Labour unelectable for me.

LangCleg · 27/01/2018 10:18

My DH is 100% on board and extremely vocal about it.

Our only bone of contention is whether or not we should leave the Labour Party over it. Current position is I think we should probably leave, he thinks we should probably stay.

Mner · 27/01/2018 10:22

DH peak transed when I showed him pictures of transwomen competing in womens' sports. Before that he was of the opinion, that somehow someone would put a stop to anything like that. I'm giving him regular trans updates now!