Trans friendly thread!

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Hi MNers!

Just first of all want to say this isn't going to be a goady thread or a place to slag anyone off of be abusive. Everyone can have an opinion and everyone's allowed to think that they like.

2nd, if your anti-trans or don't believe trans people should be alllwed to self ID or that they aren't the gender they say they are etc pls be respectful and don't post here. There are loads of threads about all kinds of discussions about being trans that you can post on and I think it would be fair if you didn't do that here. I Obviously can't prevent anyone but It would be nice for this space to be respected as trans friendly and not taken over for other reasons. If you don't agree just leave and post somewhere else instead of using this thread please!

That now said - I'm all for trans rights and I think trans men are men and transwomen are women. I don't know if many MNers feel the same but if you do say hi! Or if anyone is trans know that you have an ally in me this thread can be for a chat or support or (friendly!) discussion. Or maybe I'm the only one here lol and I can just talk to myself...

ShamefulDodger

That should absolutely not happen to any woman. It already takes every last ounce of courage to step through those doors.

There is no way anyone should be expected to tolerate an intimate examination, that soon after being violated, being performed by a man.

Swerfy and Posie - bang on

Well logically if all transwomen are women, then all women are transwomen, right? Oh no wait....

I realise I'm late to this party, but just wanted to say that the other threads aren't "trans-unfriendly" - they are misogynist-unfriendly. Most of the gender-critical women I know have had more overlap with trans issues, and been more supportive (for DECADES) than all the current lot now calling us all TERFs. It's when mainstream trans activism went full-on homophobic and misogynist that gender-critical women started to say no, that's not right.

Amazing post by Swerfy.

And we are all still waiting for you to explain, in biological terms, how transwomen are like women. Is the lack of coherent response from you on this matter, what you mean by #NotADebate?

I am so sick of some transPEOPLE and their supporters hijacking feminist forums and having the audacity to tell real women what we should and shouldnt be doing to support transwomen who in majority of cases have still got a penis and intend on keeping it!! I would really like to know where they all think our issues and their issues intersect so much that we should be prioritising their agenda over born women - if its abuse by men - well hey ho - why are they all so keen to allow anyone into female spaces.

@SwerfyTerfy I liked your post so much that I saved it to a word document. You articulate the issues so well.

If I was wearing a hat @swerfyterfy I would take it off to you.

Am I allowed to be a little bit in love with swerfy terfy ( don’t let spell check type that name...sweaty terry isn’t nearly as poetic)

@BeyondWW

“Are you unaware...of how many transwomen are murdered for their trans-ness?”

Ok, I’ll bite. I am unaware. How many? In this country/the world?

Thank you, everybody.

genehuntswife its fine, I almost said "hank you" and while writing my post "cervical smears" autocorrected to "cervical spears" phones are bastards.

Why Transphobia Is a Feminist Issue

Of course this thread has been derailed by the usual terf crowd, which if we are honest, is not at all surprising.

Still, any trans people here, I'm glad you're around and bollocks to folks who hate us so much.

I'm also here in support to any sexworkers in our midst, since they also get a shit deal from so called feminists.

battle
I'm sorry if you're feeling hated,
Can you please point out any transphobic or hateful posts? I would be very glad to email MNHQ about it.
Thanks.

Argh (head-desk). The Nordic model is not anti-sex worker, you numpty. It's anti pimp and punter.

Amazing post swerfyterfy ! Crikey, 'cervical spears' just made me wince

For a thread to be 'derailed' it has to be about something in the first place. The OP has posted nothing but meaningless shite.

@SwerfyTerfy you just won the internet today ❤️

(Where the hell did this thread come from?!)

@BattleCuntGalactica using "terf" as a slur is hardly helpful and a way to bring people together.

I’m still waiting to see the transphobic posts

Thanks for this thread OP, I am feminist and pro trans and it's always heartening to see there are others like me on Mumsnet.

Oh millions, lapdance. Trillions even.
And anyone who claims that these murder rates are actually biased because of (particularly high risk for various reasons) Latino prostituted transwomen, is a big swerfy terfy racist.