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Break it down for me?

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TortiousTortoise · 20/01/2018 22:16

Hi all, I am fairly new to the discussion on the impact that transwomen are having on women generally and I want to more fully understand the issues (been trying to talk to my husband about it and am struggling to articulate it).

I feel so awkward writing about this as I definitely don't want to come across as sounding horrible about transpeople, I just want to understand.

Also there are a lot of acronyms being thrown about. Can anyone help me out?

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AthenasOwl · 16/03/2018 10:16

I read this entire thread at 2am. It's has been an eye opener for me! Thank you!
Wondering if anyone can suggest books I can read to gather more information?

IwankaTramp · 23/05/2018 22:00

I just wanted to say thank-you for this thread.

R0wantrees · 06/06/2018 21:50
Yambabe · 06/06/2018 22:12

Wow. I hadn't seen this before, and I haven't seen Datun about for a while either thinking about it.

But Datun if you're still here, I salute you. Your post on the first page of this thread is possibly the most well-articulated, sensible and accurate description of this whole circus that I have ever read.

Ireneony · 06/06/2018 22:29


Totally agree, hadn't seen this thread before, thanks for bumping!

heresyandwitchcraft · 07/06/2018 02:18

Really stupid question - is there any way to "pin" a thread like this?

Datun · 07/06/2018 04:04


Thanks for that. I'm still here. Dipping in and out. I'm not posting as much. But i'm still around.

heresyandwitchcraft · 14/06/2018 01:24

Bumping thread again, in case today's events have brought people to the forum who'd like a good primer on trans rights as related to the rights of females.

R0wantrees · 15/06/2018 21:21

Links to recent meetings:

We Need to Talk, Inconvenient Women:

'Let a woman speak' Truro:

Womans Place UK:
thebewilderness · 15/06/2018 21:22

MNHQ could pin the thread. I do not know why they do not.

SupermatchGame · 15/06/2018 22:12

There are two types of transwomen, according to Blanchards typology.

AGP certainly exists.

But the idea that trans women can be divided into two types/ causes like that defined by Blanchard is rejected by every gender identity clinic in the country. You know, the professionals who actually provide this health care.

AngryAttackKittens · 15/06/2018 22:20

AGP certainly exists.

Hi, Supermatch? Meet Gibbert, who's convinced that it probably doesn't and if it does not in the UK. You two have fun talking this one out.

(I just want to know why the UK would be the exception.)

AngryAttackKittens · 15/06/2018 22:21

A "cross fetishist" is presumably one who just read/heard the word "no".

R0wantrees · 15/06/2018 22:25

For those interested in Ray Blanchard's actual views etc, he tweets at

(There are often links to interesting resources)

thebewilderness · 15/06/2018 22:26

Is this the place for it?
That is what Mumsnet has to ask themselves, eh>

Datun · 16/06/2018 01:49

But the idea that trans women can be divided into two types/ causes like that defined by Blanchard is rejected by every gender identity clinic in the country.

Interesting. How would you categorise them?

Apart from gender dysphoria and now rapid onset gender dysphoria, (mostly in women, I believe), what reason might a man have for transitioning?

R0wantrees · 18/06/2018 12:41
CourtneyLovely · 18/06/2018 13:33

Just come across this and RTFT. Some interesting and helpful stuff here.

Just a thought on the "it wasn't meant to be like this" idea. I grew up in the 80s and although I played with Barbies I also played with lego etc - normal, brightly coloured lego not the pink playsets marketed at girls these days. It was totally acceptable for girls to play with cars and boys to play with dolls: nobody cared apart from a small handful of dads who were rightly denounced as outdated pigs.

I came of age in the 90s. As has been mentioned on another thread, girls and boys all wore big boots and nail varnish, shaved their heads and wore eyeliner.

I honestly think that things have taken such a huge step backwards.

Stilettosandan0venglove · 23/06/2018 10:26

This is such a useful thread. Thanks to all!

CisTerfsAreDoinItForTheShelves · 23/06/2018 23:43

Great, informative thread. Special mention to Datun 👍😁

heresyandwitchcraft · 25/06/2018 01:33

Bumping for any newbies

Frankenterfer · 25/06/2018 11:32

It's great to see this thread is still going.


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TransplantsArePlants · 26/06/2018 06:18

Bumping for newbies and lurkers

ballsballsballs · 26/06/2018 06:22

Another bump

Stilettosandan0venglove · 26/06/2018 13:24

This thread is a very good intro to FWR.

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