Break it down for me?

[TortiousTortoise]

Hi all, I am fairly new to the discussion on the impact that transwomen are having on women generally and I want to more fully understand the issues (been trying to talk to my husband about it and am struggling to articulate it).

I feel so awkward writing about this as I definitely don't want to come across as sounding horrible about transpeople, I just want to understand.

Also there are a lot of acronyms being thrown about. Can anyone help me out?

June 12th 2021
Genevieve Gluck, 'Courage Calls
Criticism of sex self-identification is growing globally'

(extract)
"Yesterday, June 11, it was reported that a brave 14 year-old girl in Virginia spoke out against her school board for a policy that would allows boys to self-declare their sex and enter girls’ restrooms and locker rooms, saying:

“Everyone knows what a boy is, even you. Your proposed policies are dangerous and rooted in sexism. When woke kids asked me if I was a lesbian or a trans boy because I cut my hair short, it should tell you these modern identities are superficial. Now boys are reading erotica in the classrooms next to girls, and you want to give them access to girls’ locker rooms, and you want to force girls to call those boys ‘she’. You do this in the name of inclusivity while ignoring the girls who will pay the price. Your policy places boys’ wants over girls’ needs.”

Women around the world are losing the right to define themselves on their own terms, and they are losing the protections from male violence afforded to them by single sex spaces. Whether it’s violent males being housed in women’s prisons, or girls being forced to compete against males in sports, the feelings and entitlement of a few boys and men are being prioritized over the safety and dignity of women and girls. There is a war going on against the female sex, and its aim is the removal of women’s boundaries and rights — which is why the judgement in Maya Forstater’s case is a crucial turning point for the public dialogue around women’s rights going forward.

Maya Forstater has released statement calling for others to join her and her new organization, Sex Matters, saying that we all need to be braver, and explaining that the singular mission of her organization is “to re-establish clarity about sex in law, policy, and language. This is about single-sex services. It's about women's refuges, women's prisons, women's sports. It's also about doctors, parents, teachers, and young people themselves being able to question the narrative about being born in the wrong body.” (continues)

genevievegluck.substack.com/p/courage-calls

for Maya Forstater, Genevieve Gluck, Jolene Grover, Marion Millar, J K Rowling, Lisa Keogh and brave girls and women who say, "no!"

@R0wantrees? You are back!!!!

Welcome back!!

*Helleoore, thank you. My account was unlocked this afternoon.

Lovely to see you're back RO, thank you for being so amazing.

I'm just sharing other girls and women's work and hopefully helping others to join some dots.

@R0wantrees

*Helleoore, thank you. My account was unlocked this afternoon.

Yay!!!

Fabulous to have you back R0 x

You're all very kind, but this is such an important thread, it shouldn't get derailed!

An excellent new documentary which, in my opinion, should be required viewing for policy makers.

by The Center for Bioethics and Culture Network
'Trans Mission: What's the Rush to Reassign Gender?' is a documentary film featuring experts, activists, parents, and educators discussing the medical and surgical transitioning of children. Run Time approx. 52 minutes

@JenniferLahl is the producer and co-writer/co-director of this film

thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4272978-Trans-Mission-Whats-the-Rush-to-Reassign-Gender

Review of Kathleen Stock's, 'Material Girls'

'Why Feminism Matters for Feminism'
JULIA LONG - 15 JUN 2021

(extract)
"It is in the final pages of the book that Stock’s politics become abundantly clear. She frames the onslaught of transgender activists on women and women’s rights – the harassment, threats and violence – as a scenario of “two entrenched sides thrashing it out in public about whether trans women are women and what that means.” Astoundingly, she asserts that in the face of this onslaught, “radical and gender-critical feminists bear their share of responsibility too.” Again, a feminist grasp of the power dynamics of the situation would avoid such a dangerous misrepresentation of the situation as a scenario in which both sides bear “responsibility.”

Having engaged at length with academic proponents of gender identity theory throughout the book, Stock appears uninterested in and dismissive of radical feminist critiques of transgenderism. The pioneering work of radical feminists is ignored, while various supposed failings and errors of radical feminists are rehearsed, frequently vaguely and without direct reference. The work of Sheila Jeffreys is mentioned only to reject her supposed “oversimplification.” The prescient work of Janice Raymond and Ruth Barrett’s Female Erasure collection are ignored entirely. Stock dismisses the insistence on the need to name men as men as “perversely literal” and “selectively uncharitable,” with no regard for the radical feminist literature on the relationship between language and male power." (continues)
4w.pub/why-feminism-matters-for-feminism/amp/

thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4273673-Extraordinary-essay-by-Julia-Long

Nigerian feminism ❤️ by twitter.com/sugabelly

Current thread, OP NonnyMouse1337 wrote,
"Lengthy but wonderful to read.

feminism.ng/

But there exists among the young Nigerian progressive set, so busy sucking at the teat of popular western movements, a certain myopia to the damage some of the ideologies they parrot do, and how far back women are slipping as they flock to trendier movements.

They eschew the work yet undone because it’s low profile and thankless, preferring to haunt social media where, power drunk on neologisms signalling their in group status, they occupy themselves with boosting their social cachet by scavenging for outrage with which to attack thought criminals.

Theirs is a lurid combination of blind acceptance of anything and any choices that make people feel good, regardless of the impact on women.

Women are merely an afterthought in a frankenfeminism that cares more about how many intersections you can claim to be defending as if they're pins for the collecting.

Never mind over 90% of the imported issues they spend their time talking about aren't even in the top five major concerns facing women in Nigeria."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4274101-Nigerian-feminism

Here is an archive link posted by boatyardblues on another thread about the interaction between menstruation and injuries to women’s knees.

Another advantage that males have over females in sport.

archive.is/DaREA

A great summary of Stonewall’s tactics and demands that their champions go through to attain accreditation. Including bullying within the Scottish Government.

archive.is/AKwOP

archive.is/AKwOP Sorry. A clicky link.

archive.is/AKwOP

24th June 2021 Lesbian and Gay News,

Jo Bartosch 'Why intersex people are fed up with their medical conditions being repurposed as a transgender identity'
(extract)
"The encroachment of intersex people’s experience by trans ideologues extends to language and it starts in the maternity ward. The term ‘assigned at birth’ is now widely used to accommodate a narrative about feelings of ‘gender identity’ potentially not aligning with sexed genitals. But for the overwhelming majority of people, even those with DSDs, sex is observed; only 0.001% of babies are born with ambiguous genitalia which needs to be assigned.

Many intersex people are fed-up with having the conditions they live with repurposed for ideological ends. Others are also angered by the conflation of transgender identities with DSDs.

Leading gender identity specialist, psychologist Dr Kenneth J Zucker, has posited that the growth of the online world has exacerbated the phenomenon of ‘intersex posers’. He reports that for some of his transgender identifying patients a belief in ‘the presence of a physical intersex condition’ provides a ‘more solid foundation for their gender dysphoric feelings.’ Support groups for those with intersex conditions have naturally attracted those who believe, or purport to believe, their trans identities are informed by a fictitious DSD. The inclusion of ‘intersex posers’ has further marginalised people with DSDs and infected public understanding and discourse.

lesbianandgaynews.com/2021/06/jo-bartosch-on-why-intersex-people-are-fed-up-with-their-medical-conditions-being-repurposed-as-a-transgender-identity/

Lesbian and Gay News
25th June 2021
Lauren Black, "Gloves off I'm going to talk about how dysphoria plus the gingerbread model plus pornography leads to the creation of who I call porn-addled robot people'
(extract)
"Writing about dysphoria is difficult for me. I am not great at talking about my feelings, even to my wife. And dysphoria is an obsessive and dissociative condition. Thinking and writing about it can make it worse. But there are young women out there, just like me, who are being lied to, instead of helped. They need to know the truth.

So I’m going to talk to you about dysphoria, even though it costs me to do so. I’m going to tell you what it is like to live with and how I deal with it. I’m also going to tear an absolute strip off the gingerbread model of sex, sexuality and gendered identity in the process. Gloves off. I’m going to talk about how dysphoria, plus the gingerbread model, plus pornography, leads to the creation of who I call “porn addled robot people.” I’m going to suggest how I think these people come, in good faith, to the conclusion that ‘genital preferences are transphobic’. I’m also going to tell you about my beautiful wife who loves me just as I am. Buckle up." (continues)

What was it actually like to develop dysphoria? I knew very young that I was attracted to women. I knew that being attracted to women was ‘wrong’. My religion told me I would burn in hell because of it. There were messages in society that told me it was taboo. I thought not that I had done wrong, but that I was wrong. I was ashamed of who I was. I kept my secret all through my childhood. I told nobody who I really was. Instead, I prayed to God to make me into somebody else. I prayed to God to strike me down for my sin. He did not.

Instead, he gave me large breasts at ten years old. My period arrived without warning. I didn’t know what was happening. I thought I was going to die. Full grown men started to leer at me. I felt vulnerable, exposed, objectified, frightened. I didn’t understand. I hated it. I always fought the boys on equal terms. But they overtook me in size and strength. They started to see me in a different way too. A way that made my skin crawl. I lost a sense of how to be myself, how to exist, how to relate." (continues)

I do not view myself in this fractured way. I take the reins of my dysphoria. I keep it in check. It is always there, but I am in control. I ground myself in my body. I reach out for authenticity and genuine human connection. I wear what I want and I cut my hair how I want and I let the stares slide off me. Let them look. And I reach out to my wife, who brings me her whole self and loves me just for who I am. She’s my woman, and she reaches back to me in the half light. I am hers and she is mine, and I am her safe home. I hold her in my arms and I feel right. I am at peace." (continues)

lesbianandgaynews.com/2021/06/lauren-black-gloves-off-im-going-to-talk-about-how-dysphoria-plus-the-gingerbread-model-plus-pornography-leads-to-the-creation-of-who-i-call-porn-addled-robot-people/

Twitter twitter.com/LaurenGNC_Butch

and gratitude.
This is a very important article.

Bumping.

Adding this link for the latest yougov poll on loos.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9735219/amp/YouGov-poll-suggests-just-4-cent-women-support-replacement-gendered-toilets-shared-loos.html

Fewer than one in 20 women support the replacement of men’s and women’s loos with gender-neutral ones, a poll reveals.

Just four per cent would be happy if restaurants, hotels, bars, theatres, cinemas, concert venues and stadiums abolished separate toilets for two sexes.

The findings from the poll carried out by YouGov and released yesterday suggest the rise in gender-neutral public loos is against the grain of public sentiment.

The issue has become one of the battlegrounds between transgender rights lobbyists and feminists.

Attempts to introduce gender-neutral loos in public spaces or in offices have routinely provoked protests from women who refuse to use them.

yougov.co.uk/_pubapis/v5/uk/trackers/support-for-separate-toilets-for-men-and-women-and-gender-neutral-toilets-in-public-spaces/download/

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Helen Joyce's book extracts in Daily Mail are excellent for those getting to grips with the issues -

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9753017/HELEN-JOYCE-argues-gender-self-identification-lobby-harming-children-women-trans-people.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9775491/HELEN-JOYCE-Letting-athletes-grew-men-compete-womens-sports-cause-public-backlash.html

This is an excellent summary of which males have taken female’s sports places. Thanks ripx4nutmeg.

thecritic.co.uk/every-sport-is-male-sport/

An excellent Filia interview with Helen Joyce and book review by SD:

"Dr Helen Joyce, author, journalist and editor at The Economist, joins the FiLiA podcast to discuss her newly-released book Trans. An in-depth exploration of the phenomenon of gender identity theory, Helen writes about how these ideas impact our ability to speak about biological sex and what these developments mean for society.

Helen's work outlines how ideas that privilege subjective feelings of personal gender identity over objective definitions of sex are logically nonsensical, with implications that cause damage to children, erode the rights of women & girls, and make homosexuality once again taboo.

Helen highlights the importance of hearing the stories of detransitioners, the ethical duties of a journalist and whether the misogyny and homophobia we see in some aspects of gender identity activism might be a feature, not a bug."

filia.org.uk/latest-news/2021/7/12/helen-joyce-on-trans

LGB News by Jo Bartosch
July 10th 2021
'Why intersex people are fed up with their medical conditions being repurposed as a transgender identity'

(extract)
"Nick Webster is an intersex campaigner who spent two years struggling to obtain a diagnosis of Klinefelter Syndrome (KS). He explains that his condition only affects males; it is the result of having XXY chromosomes.

‘The trans movement’s continuous appropriation of people with intersex conditions, using our bodies to defend their ideology, is the most insulting thing of it all’ he says.

Prejudice against people with intersex conditions is common, and Webster is angered that people like him are still ‘called outdated slurs like hermaphrodite’. The fallacious but trendy falsehood favoured by queer theorists, that sex is a spectrum, has done little to redress this harmful misconception.

‘People are born with DSDs (Disorders of Sex Development), and we face daily challenges including pain, mental health issues and body dysmorphia’ Webster says.

‘This leads me on to question why trans organisations have included intersex into the sexual orientation/gender identity acronym, because intersex conditions are not an identity, but a biological reality that myself and many others deal with on a daily basis – after all the acronym community wouldn’t hijack other medical conditions like deafness, blindness or mobility disabilities – why are they hijacking people with intersex medical conditions?’ (continues)

lesbianandgaynews.com/2021/06/jo-bartosch-on-why-intersex-people-are-fed-up-with-their-medical-conditions-being-repurposed-as-a-transgender-identity/

Since this interview Nick Webster has been targetted:
twitter.com/DSDvoice/status/1416212824964149248