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TortiousTortoise · 20/01/2018 22:16

Hi all, I am fairly new to the discussion on the impact that transwomen are having on women generally and I want to more fully understand the issues (been trying to talk to my husband about it and am struggling to articulate it).

I feel so awkward writing about this as I definitely don't want to come across as sounding horrible about transpeople, I just want to understand.

Also there are a lot of acronyms being thrown about. Can anyone help me out?

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jj1968 · 22/10/2020 14:59

Blanchard is a reactionary who believes that extreme homosexuals, or HSTS's as he calls them, possess some kind of feminine essence, in other words a lady brain. He spent much of his career showing paedophiles pictures of naked children and measuing their erections. He seems a strange hero for a Feminist movement, not least because of his own somewhat anti-feminist views: twitter.com/BlanchardPhD/status/643434013730975744

jj1968 · 22/10/2020 15:01

Well I disagree on this totally. SEX is the reason we might feel nervous alone on a street. Men do not look and think 'oh that person is not feminine, so lets not attack her'.

Then why do I feel nervous? Why have I been sexually harassed and assaulted by straight men?

TinselAngel · 22/10/2020 15:05

Abigail Rowland shares her experience of living with an AGP husband (from 1 hr 15)

R0wantrees · 22/10/2020 15:06

Professor Sheila Jeffreys
13 Nov 2018

'The invention of gender dysphoria' - hosted by 'We Need To Talk'

TinselAngel · 22/10/2020 15:07

Part 1 of a podcast where Tracy Shannon shares her experiences of being in a marriage with an AGP husband

TinselAngel · 22/10/2020 15:07

Part 2 of the podcast featuring Tracy

TinselAngel · 22/10/2020 15:09

The Psychological Effect on Wives
and Partners of Transsexuals
Diana Aitchison
Co-ordinator, Women of the Beaumont Society
Gendys Conference, 1998

www.gender.org.uk/conf/1998/diana.htm

TinselAngel · 22/10/2020 15:10

Meghan Murphy speaks to Trans Widow Shannon Thrace

www.feministcurrent.com/2018/01/12/podcast-happens-husband-decides-hes-woman/

Gottalife · 22/10/2020 21:44

@NotTerfNorCis

That's a great explanation *@Datun*. It deserves to be circulated widely.
But it is wrong. Gender clinics do not use this flawed categorisation. Each patient is assessed individually. It is not a conveyor belt and I doubt "autogynophilia" is ever given as a diagnosis. There may be some "fetishistic transvestites" who get weeded out.
TinselAngel · 23/10/2020 00:02

m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=jV2NP0paCZ8

Jackie Mearns talks about living with an AGP partner at WPUK Edinburgh.

TinselAngel · 23/10/2020 00:04

Jenny from earlier is interviewed by Erin Brewer about being married to an AGP male.

Agrona · 23/10/2020 03:10

I hope this hasn't been added as yet, but if it has,it worth repeating:

.Correction: Transgender Surgery Provides No Mental Health Benefit

www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/09/71296/?fbclid=IwAR1qhY36S81bxLIL-Gm04MemcwA8R0OBpG5iCy_CrUM6tGttrO98Un-WLTE

Agrona · 23/10/2020 03:16

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden:

journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0016885&fbclid=IwAR0_VE6oXCjfUxx9tyL1EXoq3ZfrjOu7Y1FB4Ova2Pw252wkKlCXcHQPVMU

R0wantrees · 23/10/2020 06:30

Bayswater Support (UK parents group)
"Support for parents of children IDing as trans. We seek evidence-based care & are cautious about ‘affirmation’"

Threadreader:

(see link for further embedded information)
"Recently, @BBCNewsnight reported on a 2005-6 review of @ TaviAndPort ’s Gender Identity Development Service (then known as GIDU), by Dr David Taylor. We have obtained the report via FOI and are publishing it below.

Taylor’s report was prompted by staff disquiet at GIDS, which has continued ever since. @ sueevansprotect was the whistleblower then, and has continued her work to safeguard children at GIDS most recently by launching a judicial review with Mum A and @ keira [Bell]

The report’s concerns are ominously familiar to those raised by staff more recently. As The Times reported in April 2019, many more staff have turned whistleblower in the years since.

Indeed, a further report was written by one of Dr Taylor’s successors, Dr Sinha, whose recommendations the Trust are still implementing.

tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/about-us/news/stories/gids-action-plan/

But what’s most striking are Dr Taylor’s proposed solutions, the most important of which were not implemented, but still could be. @ Hilary_Cass is leading a review of all this - could the ideas here be a blueprint for helping the Service out of the hole it’s dug?
Away from its focus on organisational problems, Dr Taylor’s report is a still-relevant primer in the various ways of understanding gender distress in children, and the approaches to helping them.

Dr Taylor identifies the pressure that clinicians come under “to provide immediate solutions through physical interventions which may not always, in the long term, prove to be helpful or beneficial”

The rationale for physical interventions “may be valid. However, as far as we could tell they are relatively untested and un-researched.” Sadly things are little changed today, 15 years on.
Dr Taylor asks: “is it true that [puberty blockers] purchase time in the ways proposed? Is empirical information being gathered about what patients do with the extra months and years by which puberty is delayed?” If it’s been gathered, unfortunately it hasn’t yet been published.

“it is the consistent impression of a number of GIDU staff that the service was coming under pressure to recommend the prescription of drugs more often and more quickly, and that the independence of professional judgment was also coming under increasing pressure.”

“there are powerful lobbies from older patients pressing for the use of medication, which even more worryingly, is now available without regulation via the internet. Clinicians will differ in their ability to resist the pressure to comply.”
Taylor suggested that gender dysphoria was part of “a family of serious developmental disorders emerging in adolescence” alongside eating disorders and body dismorphic disorder (BDD) & that GIDS should sit in a team dealing with these, within the Trust’s Adolescent Department.
GIDS should “become an integrated part of a culture of clinical practice”, sitting alongside other services dealing with similar age groups, with “permeable” boundaries between each. This would help “maintain the compatibility and quality of clinical services”.

Finally, this report came to light through FOI, but @ TaviAndPort resisted disclosure, initially to @ BBCNewsnight. You can read the Information Commissioner’s decision below

ico.org.uk/media/action-weve-taken/decision-notices/2020/2618201/fs50881691.pdf

The Trust told the BBC that Dr Taylor’s report “is not relevant to the circumstances & issues faced by the GIDS service today”. We really wish that were true, but the report & GIDS’s subsequent history show that these controversies remain all too current."

www.bbc.com/news/uk-54374165
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1319351037279539206.html

twitter account: twitter.com/BayswaterSG
website: www.bayswatersupport.org.uk/

MaudTheInvincible · 23/10/2020 18:05

Letter to the Office for National Statistics regarding methodological concerns for next year's (2021) census

twitter.com/mbmpolicy/status/1319336533615312896?s=20

mbmpolicy.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/letter-to-sir-bernard-silverman-221020.pdf

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MirandaGoshawk · 23/10/2020 23:11

What a great thread! Thank you all for explaining. I am new to this discussion. I read an article in National Geographic the other day about "pregnant people's" concerns about Covid 19. That expression was new to me, but I saw red. Anyway, just thanks :)

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 03/01/2021 09:15

I started a thread recommending this video and someone said it would be good to add it here, so: Benjamin Boyce interviews Stephanie Davies-Arai, founder of Transgender Trend. It's very long - 1hr 45 mins - but really, really clear and cogent.

Helleofabore · 08/01/2021 11:58

Just leaving this here as an example of the hypocritical reaction at suggesting that an appropriate term for males was 'penis person' (a partner term for the 'vulva people' we have seen popping up). The tweet was in response to someone applauding the use of 'sperm producer' as a descriptor used for a male.

The hypocrisy is easy to see once the tables are turned.

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R0wantrees · 18/01/2021 20:00

I have yet to read all of the articles hosted on the #RepealTheGRA website but was delighted to see their clear understanding and articulation of how Safeguarding is compromised.

from the site's 'Mission Statement'
"We are women who believe that our rights as women and girls to safety, privacy and dignity, and the safeguarding of children and vulnerable adults, are undermined by the Gender Recognition Act (2004).

We believe that our rights under the protected characteristic of sex in the Equality Act (2010) cannot be upheld while it is possible for some people to change their 'legal sex'.

We believe that the practice of changing sex markers on official documents, including birth certificates and passports, prevents effective safeguarding.

Our aim is the repeal of the Gender Recognition Act on the basis that it is incompatible with safeguarding and the rights of women and children."
www.repealthegra.org/mission-statement

'A Safeguarding Nightmare'
(extract)
"We think institutional and regulatory capture is the biggest battle we face as we try to maintain these vital age and sex based rights and safeguards. Do you even know what this is? Until a year or two ago, we certainly didn't. Wikipedia defines it like this:

In politics, regulatory capture (also client politics) is a corruption of authority that occurs when a political entity, policymaker, or regulatory agency is co-opted to serve the commercial, ideological, or political interests of a minor constituency, such as a particular geographic area, industry, profession, or ideological group.

We believe this capture has occurred in service of gender ideology throughout important institutions and organisations in the UK - the NSPCC, the NHS, schools, government departments, the Crown Prosecution service, the courts system and more.

We have seen many abuse scandals in the UK and the common denominator in all of them is always a failure to safeguard or apply safeguarding protocols without fear or favour. The GRA undermines safeguarding in a particularly insidious way. We are tired of hearing about how these failures led to atrocities and we want to see safeguarding front and centre in public policy. It is not good enough to react with moral outrage after the event and for politicians to wring their hands and say how could we have known? We need everyone to be aware of safeguarding fails the moment they happen and before they are sufficiently embedded for the next scandal to take root." (continues)

www.repealthegra.org/a-safeguarding-nightmare

Helleofabore · 28/01/2021 10:51

bump

Helleofabore · 13/02/2021 23:25

Bump again.

Helleofabore · 15/02/2021 17:19

Not sure this has been posted before. But good to add again even so.

Here is a resource thread from Twitter.

twitter.com/sexdefined/status/1281576034593374208?s=21

It goes through and debunks some popular activist arguments and papers.

malloo · 16/02/2021 14:54

Thanks Winesalot, those links are really useful. I keep hearing this 'sex is a spectrum' argument and I wasn't sure enough about biology terminology to be confident arguing against it. The article on intersex is excellent, very in depth. What I hadn't realised is that these disorders don't just affect the way your reproductive system/ genitals develop, they also cause all sorts of health problems, sometimes learning difficulties and almost always infertility. I really feel for people who experience this, and makes it all the more abhorrent that TRAs are dragging them into this when it has absolutely nothing to do with transgenderism.

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