Transgender woman sues over ordeal in male prison

[SimonBridges]

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/20/tara-hudson-transgender-prisoner-sues-government?CMP=twt_gu

While I don't think that men with working penises have a place in a woman's prison, and I have no idea on this persons penis status, I think that putting someone who looks like this in a male prison is just asking for trouble.

The problem is that if you look at the bathroom debate, trans activists have consistently rejected the offer of a third space just for them. Though having both the offer and their angry rejection made very publicly could help open some people's eyes.

The problem with don't commit a crime if you don't want to end up in an unpleasant prison situation aimed at TW who want in to womens prisons, is that the same could be said to the women.

I personally find the approach of well it's criminals so it doesn't matter very out of step with my beliefs. Violence is prison, whichever sort, and to whoever, is unacceptable and needs addressing. Issues like suicide especially with young offenders are urgent.

There are good reasons not to mix the sexes aside from the risk of violence.

UpABitLate - I do see your point about that but women who commit crimes might expect to be locked up, but still don't expect to be locked up with men.

And women who commit crimes don't commit the same types of crimes as men, or on the same scale.

I don't have time to find more recent figures. These are from 2010/11 for men and women arrested for particular crimes and come from the MoJ.

Violence against the person: Men 315,508 - Women 61,802

Sexual offences: Men 31,937 - Women 947

Theft and Handling: Men 187,968 - Women 53,419

Fraud and Forgery: Men 22,164 - Women 7,353

Criminal Damage: Men 75,395 - Women 10,640

Drug Offences: Men 96,741 - Women 13,492

A person who commits a crime should expect to be put in prison. All of those people committing crimes should expect to be put in a prison that corresponds with their biological sex. Nobody should expect to be housed with members of the opposite biological sex.

Especially when the difference in types of crimes is so high when it comes to men and violence, including sexual violence, compared to violent women.

Women should think about the consequences of their own actions but those consequences shouldn't include being locked up with a violent person of the opposite sex.

glittery do you believe then, that it is a strategic decision to have a trans wing, to quash all the bogus demands to be transferred to the estate of the opposite sex, rather than an ethical one, because TIMs are 'part-female' and 'wrongly placed' with other males?

I can see how it might make strategic sense but I fucking hate capitulating to the demands of violent, delusional narcissists, and I prioritise the protection of genuinely vulnerable prisoners far higher than any concession that narcissists will again push against and keep pushing until they get their way.
Prisons funding could be far better spent.

you know what else, imagine there was a separate wing and Tara goes in there.

the next person like Tara goes in there. Now they are both at risk from each other surely? So what change has actually occurred?

also those TIMs would make that very argument and say "I want to be in a woman's prison because I identify as a woman".

honestly, how did we get here.

You don't even need to see a full body photo, much less a penis, to know that Tara is male. A quick glance at the face is enough, as it is in the vast majority of cases.

Not in the cleverly posed press photos. In other photos its extremely obvious though.

Not in the cleverly posed press photos. In other photos its extremely obvious though

And the porny photos TM has posted themselves. And in the court sketch (easily findable under a Google image search)

As it's been mentioned, I am going the other way - I keep seeing women I think are trans. Well maybe they are. I mean maybe they are men. huge amounts of cosmetic surgery is confusing the matter.

as is wearing scarves to cover up the Adam's apple etc.

so I would look at any press photo of Tara and think that's a man because that's my automatic response to plastic surgery and heavy make up now.