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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Go Fund Me addiction part 2

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SophoclesTheFox · 19/01/2018 19:44

The conversation is far from over on this...

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Mumsnut · 26/01/2018 15:55

Haru: does what you say about biological sex and the law re self-identification, also hold good for race?

QuentinSummers · 26/01/2018 16:29

I think that a person has to have been discriminated against to challenge it (not a lawyer though).
However just read this:
"Victimisation is treating someone unfavourably because they have taken (or might be taking) action under the Equality Act or supporting somebody who is doing so."
These women might have a case there I guess.

BetsyM00 · 26/01/2018 16:42

StarStarStar£20,000StarStarStar

mimivanne · 26/01/2018 17:17

Betsy MOO

and 14 more signatories today on the petition !!!

Akire · 26/01/2018 18:02

I still don’t understand why Go Fund Me were happy to accept the petition and fund raiser in the first place. Even after it was flagged as potential Transphobic. They are still allowing money to be donated.

But if they find out your real name and that you are a member of the Labour Party. They try get you expelled from that

And never want to accept money from you FOREVER even if it’s for trans issues or cute puppies or
Both!

HaruNoSakura · 26/01/2018 18:56

Mumsnut

Mostly No, because EQ2010.s9 defines what characteristics count as "race" for the purposes of determining if somebody has the protected characteristic of race for the purposes of EA2010. Kind of Yes, but not actually self-ID for the person who might have been discriminated against, rather a kind self-ID via perception for the person who has been accused of doing the discriminating (basically if somebody discriminates against somebody else because they think they are of a particular ethnic background, but the person being discriminated against isn't, that still counts as discrimination).

(ss1 - ss4):

(1) Race includes—

(a) colour;
(b) nationality;
(c) ethnic or national origins.

(2) In relation to the protected characteristic of race—

(a) a reference to a person who has a particular protected characteristic is a reference to a person of a particular racial group;
(b) a reference to persons who share a protected characteristic is a reference to persons of the same racial group.

(3) A racial group is a group of persons defined by reference to race; and a reference to a person's racial group is a reference to a racial group into which the person falls.

(4) The fact that a racial group comprises two or more distinct racial groups does not prevent it from constituting a particular racial group.

Of course, this covers everyone because everybody has a colour, everybody has an ethnic or national origin, most people have a nationality, but the reasons the definitions are included in the act is so that the Court can judge if somebody has been discriminated against because of one or more of ss1 qualifiers, and if they have then they've been discriminated against as a result of race.

HaruNoSakura · 26/01/2018 18:58

whoops, that first paragraph should read:

kind of* self-ID via perception

HaruNoSakura · 26/01/2018 18:59

Although I should also have pointed out, these are solely definitions for use with the Equality Act.

BeyondWW · 26/01/2018 22:16

"treating someone unfavourably because they have taken (or might be taking) action under the Equality Act"

That certainly sounds promising...

Mumsnut · 27/01/2018 13:28

Thanks haru.

BetsyM00 · 27/01/2018 16:36

Interesting that the other gofundmes set up in opposition are not doing so well. The first one, set up by Neil Young has raised £550 in 8 days and the second, set up by Aisling Musson (the owner of 'The List') has only £130 in 5 days.

Mustn't gloat!

Datun · 27/01/2018 17:24

BetsyM00

Virtue signallers. No intention to put their money where their mouth is.

BeyondWW · 27/01/2018 17:41

...and narcissistic people aren't known for giving money to others

AreYouOrHaveYouEverBeenATERF · 27/01/2018 18:57

I normally dislike the term 'virtue signalling' - as it's frequently used against left wingers who genuinely care about stuff, like food banks, refugees and so on.

But, really, if anyone is virtue signalling, it is the trans allies - marching around twitter, shouting at everyone that they are transphobic. But as you say, very few put their money where their mouth is.

Mind you, it could just be an excuse to abuse women. A lot of them like doing that. Abusing women for not worshipping the penis.

TheNerevarine · 27/01/2018 19:20

you know, it's funny how meaningless I'm starting to find the word 'TERF' now. They keep using it, and it's clear they still think it's the worst insult, but uhh... It's starting to lose its power.

scratches chin Perhaps because it's synonymous with rational discussion and fact? Nah, that can't be it, surely.

TheNerevarine · 27/01/2018 19:27

Case in point a comment on a recent article: 'This article is full of terfy arguments.' Hmm As if that's a bad thing considering how the term has come to be used.

Cuntysnark · 28/01/2018 09:50

I've just been following a Twitter thread regarding this. Since I donated I've been receiving all sorts of weird & wonderful emails. Mostly finance based. Do I need a loan/credit score shite. I'm beginning to wonder if these are in any way connected to my donation...

OnTheList · 28/01/2018 12:46

After I donated I started getting a shitload of spam. Had never got it before. Started off wth emails about bitcoin, now its porn and stuff too.

Akire · 28/01/2018 14:11

OH now you mention it my spam filter been rubbish thought was just one those things and had Manuel flat things as Spam.

OnTheList · 28/01/2018 14:27

Great to see the total rising steadily. More people seem to be donating in their names also which is a good sign.

busyboysmum · 28/01/2018 14:33

Yes hearing someone called a terf now makes me more inclined to follow/friend them. It's a badge of honour. Sounds better than the male version which seems to be transphobe

DickTERFin · 28/01/2018 14:57

Also have been getting a whole load of spam that I never got before. Clearly signatories email addresses have been passed onto spam lists, although how you would prove it was someone inside GFM, I don't know.

Personally, I don't much care. It is again proof (if proof were needed) of the type of person who is on the so called "right side of history", aka's bullies and women haters.

DodoPatrol · 28/01/2018 16:17

I think I'm going to find a nice acronym for those who beat up women and object to women's biology being centred in women's discussions.

How about 'Female-Attacking Radical Transactivists'? Not sure about the best shortening, though?

PidgeonPodge · 28/01/2018 16:21

I think I'm going to find a nice acronym for those who beat up women and object to women's biology being centred in women's discussions

Men Against Liberty and Equality?

Grin
HairyBallTheorem · 28/01/2018 16:25

Pidgeon wins the internet! (NA males ALT, obviously Wink )