Labour Against Transphobia Facebook group

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Lily Madigan and Aisling Musson are asking for 'screenshots and evidence of transphobic behaviour' so they can make Labour 'a truly safe space for all members regardless of their gender identity or lack thereof.' In other words, doxxing people so they can be thrown out of the party for gender-critical views.

The group write-up is:

A group formed to oppose the rising tide of Transphobia in the UK Labour Party and to seek to make the Party a truly safe space for all members regardless of their gender identity or lack thereof.

PLEASE READ THE PINNED POST

If you have screenshots and evidence of transphobic behaviour please put them in the google drive folder rather than offloading them straight into the group as it may otherwise be overwhelming and trans members should have the option to not have to look at upsetting comments.

Do not add anyone unless you are sure that they:

1. Are a member of the Labour Party
2. Believe the basis of gender is self-definition
3. Think that transphobia is grounds for expulsion from the party
4. Respect the autonomy of trans people to direct the fight against transphobia (I.e will not take decisions against the will of trans people)

If you are a trans and/or non binary person and you would like to be added to the secret group (trans/nb people only) please message lily madigan or aisling musson and we will add you.

Rules:

• No advocacy for violence, threats of violence of other illegal acts (quite apart from the morality of it, please do not get this group shut down)
• This is a not a discourse group. If you do not agree that transphobia is bad, that the Labour party has it and that we should fight it, this is not a group for you.
• Be respectful. As far as possible, please always be friendly, respectful and comradely and treat others as you would wish to be treated.

-No members of other parties.

• TERF is not a slur.

*I can see the point of only accepting transwomen with a GRC, but purely on the basis that there will be fewer of them.

My position exactly!*

And mine.

It's a nonsense. We should not be encouraging gender non conforming children to think they need to change sex not telling them that it is possible to do so.

For God's sake!

What happens when they grow up and change their minds? Robert Winston said months ago about the many devastated sterile adults he has come across who bitterly regret what they have done to themselves. And that is before the escalation that we have seen in recent years.

The problem is, there is the all the medical, psychiatric and psychological interventions that many want to forego.

The diagnostic assessments for any underlying illness or motive, the counselling sessions and the rest.

The sessions can be quite 'gruelling', may bring up past traumas and may even result in an unwanted diagnosis that isn't the gender dysphoria the patient wanted.

twitter.com/mayday4women/status/955799524521529344

Battle won, war far from over.

Has there been official word yet?

So suspending Venice for saying that Transwomen aren't women is equally legally dubious? They really should get into the habit of talking to their own lawyers more. And earlier.

Ha! Can't wait to see what Lily has to say.

'Oh my God they've misgendered Lily'

Where?

I've just caught up with this after being out all day.

Labour don't really come across as being very competent do they?

They, like the Tories, are desperate for the teenage vote.

Let's hope some grownups can get a bit of a look-in now.

I'm a bit worried that if Labour announce that only TIMs with a GRC count as women then this will see an ever bigger push to allow GRCs by self ID, and to remove sex based exemptions from the EA.

I guess this all just has to play out though.

Labour don't really come across as being very competent do they

Absolutely not. A great shame because of the state of the Tories just now.

Labour don't really come across as being very competent do they?

Just been ranting about this on the other thread! No, they do not. This level of fuckwittery should disqualify them from office even regardless of the position you take on trans issues.

They, like the Tories, are desperate for the teenage vote.

Have their party actually thought about how many teenage voters are genuinely supportive of this though? They are bullied into silence for dissenting publically, sure enough. But it seems to me (obviously only off the young people I know) that they are just as likely to be gender critical as anyone else. When speaking with people that they trust. My brother is insanely popular with a lot of friends, and whilst he is only just past teen age now (turned 20 in December) he reckons near all his mates thinks elf-identification is a load of shit. Its one thing being supportive to transsexual people, another thing entirely thinking that that support meant someone must say biology is false and 'terf'y and that literally anyone IS the opposite sex on nothing but how they feel, or say they feel, at that moment in time.

Seems a lot of youngsters also understand how detrimental self-id is to the lives of genuine trans people too

I know there seems to be a lost tumblr generation though. But I would say that these are not really indicative of the public opinion among that age group.

Have either party that should read

Think back to the private ballots that had to be done in unis to get a fair vote on gender neutral loos. And the split was 50/50 pretty much, slightly against. But when its not a private vote, it seems almost unanimous, but not as people actually support it, because they are afraid of it being public knowledge that they do not.

I'm a bit worried that if Labour announce that only TIMs with a GRC count as women then this will see an ever bigger push to allow GRCs by self ID, and to remove sex based exemptions from the EA.

Maybe, just maybe, Labour putting the cart before the horse here might make changing the GRA more difficult than it would have been otherwise. We need to keep shining a light on it...

But it seems to me (obviously only off the young people I know) that they are just as likely to be gender critical as anyone else.

From my own experience - two sons, one just out of uni and one still there - I'd agree. Both my boys are contemptuous of student politics for that reason - "Had nothing to do with it, Mum. I'd rather go clubbing. They've all lost the plot."

But I do think that the young people who are politically active have almost all drunk the kool aid. Those who don't want to drink just stay away from politics altogether. It's a shame because we have a few kids who are passionately committed (generally a good thing if you forget trans mania) but many more who are being turned off.

My 15 year old son thinks it's hilarious, because it's so insane. He does see how it can be harmful to females and said that there would certainly boys in his school who would say they were trans to gain access to female changing rooms. How are the teachers supposed to know? Especially as the promoters of transing youth are encouraging young people and teachers to reject gender critical views of parents. Like Lily Madigan's parents, for example

My older boys also v contemptuous of it. It would seem from what they tell me that it's the girls who buy into it more.

My older boys also v contemptuous of it. It would seem from what they tell me that it's the girls who buy into it more

It definitely is IME. Think someone posted a poll on here the other day with different age groups and girls/women bought into it a lot more.

it's the girls who buy into it more

Girls would have a lot more to gain, if only it were true. I can easily imagine most boys have very little interest in identifying out of a position of privilege.

My teenage son is completely onboard with the official line. He dismisses, with the arrogance of a young man, biological differences as 'just a social thing' and any question is transphobic. He knows very few actual facts but is uncomfortable with digging beneath the teen social media presentation of it all.

Good thing l won't ever be voting Labour again.

So is this just about the shortlist or the whole self I'd thing?

I can't find any statement online from Labour

JJ updated the crowdfunder an hour ago saying there was no news yet ...