AIBU GoFundMe addiction

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I've recently become addicted to a Gofundme campaign. Every time I press refresh the total raised has jumped up and I don't seem to be able to stop.

I'm trying to stay within Mumsnet rules here, so obviously I can't link or promote it.

Does anyone else have this enjoyable problem?

GetdownDog
Gender critical women and our allies may not have muscle power like the TRAs but I wonder now if there might be more of us than expected. Power in numbers.

I stand by JJ and all those behind this. We will not be abused or ostracised.

Nearly 11 grand! I see this reaching 20k. Share share.

I checked and I do have enough this month to donate, so will do so as soon as I dig out my bank card :)

11k!

It's over £11000!!!

If they are going to go down the frankly stupid 'whataboutery' route...

How dare they spend money and resources on drugs, puberty blockers and surgery when they could be donating that money or freeing up resources for food banks.

It works both ways.

I've donated. Labour will have to choose - do they believe in biology or not. Let's hope they see sense.

"No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her sex"

I'm sure it's already been posted, but I really love that quote.

Has anyone been reading the comments?
Utterly depressing, sick to death of being called a TERF. I detest being called a cis women too.

Just donated again. It's really interesting to see how many people are donating. I wouldn't have known about it if it wasn't for this thread. If it gets talked about on the news even more people will become aware which is great.

I have to answer this from the comments...
"What gives you the right to decide when a transwoman becomes a woman: total gender reassignment, partial reassignment?"

I think you have unintentionally proven our point. There is no point at which a man actually becomes a woman. Legally perhaps (that'd be the point at which a GRC is given btw), but not literally. Not ever.

Labour will have to choose - do they believe in biology or not

This is it really isn't it?

The problem is the mantra 'trans women are women' requires absolutely serious critical thinking and the virtue signallers are so busy chanting this to get their warm fuzzy feeling of superiority that they make no time to actually think about it.

You don't have to scratch the surface very deeply of what the ramifications of 'self defining' actually are, to see that it is hugely problematic. That these people haven't done that says a lot about them.

I actually think people like Owen Jones have thought about it, but they are just willing to shit on women in order to keep their right in credentials.

My friend is a fairly staunch Tory (not quite a proper Tory boy, but staunch enough that he will always vote Conservative and it would take a fairly monumental fuck up on their part for him to even consider voting elsewhere).

In recent years he has often complained about the 'virtue signallers' on social media, and how there is really only one 'acceptable' view and how they shout the loudest so he feels he cant put his views across. That there is no room for any other opinions. He often cites Owen Jones for being a twat etc. I have always just said that if he honestly believes in his own views then he should be able to argue them coherently no matter what the prevailing opinion is.

However, after all this trans stuff, I can see what he means! I think that sometimes the virtue signalling within the Labour Party is actually quite damaging. And the way that they don't engage with any other opinion, like it's not allowed, how can that be progressive?

I am too afraid to talk about this topic on my own social media, and I now know how my friend feels.

Has anyone been reading the comments? Utterly depressing, sick to death of being called a TERF

Don't forget that most people still think of TW as gay guys who have had sex change surgery. Very few realise that 80% have no surgery or hormones and that most are sexually attracted to women. We need to keep on making the arguments and pointing out the problems with the 'transwomen are women' mantra.

BeyondWW Mon 15-Jan-18 09:26:20

I have to answer this from the comments...
"What gives you the right to decide when a transwoman becomes a woman: total gender reassignment, partial reassignment?"

I think you have unintentionally proven our point. There is no point at which a man actually becomes a woman. Legally perhaps (that'd be the point at which a GRC is given btw), but not literally. Not ever.

I saw that comment earlier Beyond and thought that they really didn't think that through. There was another one yesterday who asked what women would do if a 'stealth transwoman' with a GRC was put on a list, obviously missing the point that legally (a different point as to whether it SHOULD happen) someone with a GRC would be able to be listed, no stealth required.

Thanks @TheXXFactor I didn't know that.

All I see on the comment section is I AM A WOMEN . TRANSWOMEN ARE WOMEN.
I did donate under my name, but then shit myself and changed it to anon. I wish I was brave enough to put my point across but I'm not and that is mostly down to spending 5 years of my life being with an abusive man. I guess I'm worried about threats etc.
There are things a transwomen can never understand so why should I put my trust in someone to advocate for me that hasn't got a clue?
I've actually put a stop to my Labour Party membership and donation.
I don't feel women are being protected and respected anymore, especially by a party I had so much faith in 😞

I used a slightly less identifiable variation of my name. Not totally unidentifiable, but not anon either.

I have surname that's easily google-able.
I did try and be brave

£11,266

£11306

I will definitely contribute monthly for the entire time it's open.

the way that they don't engage with any other opinion, like it's not allowed, how can that be progressive?

It isn't. Either you believe in valuing and listening to all people fairly irrespective of their characteristics, and the power of debate and winning arguments on their merits, or you believe in only supporting the rights and equality of groups you personally think are of value and forcibly shutting up everyone else.

If you believe that Terfs should not be allowed a voice, a vote, legal rights (or if you believe Twitter, to even be allowed to live) because of their views, then you believe X should not be allowed civil rights because of their Y characteristic. So Tories should not be allowed civil rights because they vote Tory. People worried about immigration should not be allowed civil rights because they are bigots who vote in a bigotted way. Terfs should not be allowed civil rights because they keep terfing even after they were told not to.

Go back 100 or 200 years and put 'black' or 'Jewish' where X is and you see how progressive that view really is. You would also think that having destruction tested calling people worried about immigration 'bigots' (publically in Gordon Brown's case), shouting at them for having stupid opinions and completely blanking them as beneath contempt instead of listening, engaging, explaining, putting enough genuine light on it for everyone to see the reality, the political body would realise it doesn't work. It was one of the big factors that led to the unholy mess of Brexit.

Labour have to go back to being able to debate, to explain, to actually win arguments and talk about the really difficult things without shame and blame. The arguments stand for themselves if they're good enough.

I used my real name and I'm easily google-able as I think I'm the only person in the UK with my surname.

Will update if I receive any hate messages.

Fantastic! I've donated too and feel heartened to see just how quickly the fund has grown. Absolutely love the picture and quote that they have chosen too - it says it all!

I think bromentum took the idea of being "socialist" and decided that (what I'd call) the bad bits of historic communist states were the good bits to incorporate in their stance.

😂