ITV Transformation Street

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On tv tonight.

But here's an article to give you a taste of what its going to be like:www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/transformation-street-itv-transgender-documentary-a3737876.html

Yeah scratchy lace and riding up your bum underwear, loads of women love them! Not!

I wore women’s underwear as soon as I left home at 15 years of age.and if you want a couple of anecdotes to make you laugh here goes,
I was with a group of friends at a dinner party, well after dinner we started playing cards for fun, then it turned to strip poker, ( you can see where I am going with this) suffice it to say I was trying to cheat so I didn’t have to disrobe, but failed miserably, well my friends were confused when in the morning there was an extra pair of women’s pants without an owner.

The other occasion was I had agreed to meet 2 friends to go to a disco, but due to work pressures I had to meet them without having eaten all day, well after a few drinks I was tipsy, and my friends decided to take me home, and as they were good friends they put me to bed, undressing me first,.... these two friends never passed judgement or mentioned it ever, good friends they certainly were.

The other time that springs to mind was when I was working in a hotel , the staff slept in a large house at the other end of town to the hotel, by this time I was going out dressed totally as a woman, one day my employer called me into the office and I was given notice to leave, it was not because of my work ethic or my personality it took me ages to work out the real reason, I was made .

I am telling you about myself so that you can see that not all trans people are militant, I really want to just live in peace and quiet.

Can I ask everyone a question.......... what is your opinion of the # ME TO CAMPAIGN ?

What’s your opinion Harv seeing you brought it up?

Any campaign that highlights sexual harassment, abuse, assault or violence against women and calls it out as unacceptable is a good thing.

Some women may like being wolf-whistled or having their bum pinched, and they can make it known to their circle of friends and get that form of attention. For me, no thanks.

I think it s a start, but so far it seems that it is mostly the rich and influenced that are hogging the limelight, the people that don’t get heard or fear talking about it remain silent, places like India and some African countries that are trying to change centuries of patriarchy are accused of trying to change traditions and adopt western ideology, I don’t think men will change without a lobotomy or a huge change in their mindset, and women are as yet no where near success

I also feel that family refuge centres are woefully under funded and instead of there being plans to expand the number of centres it appears some of those already in existence may be forced to close due to cash shortfall.

If a man types the word progress and a woman types the word progress why should the man get 10p and the woman get 7p that’s not progress.

Would France’s idea of fineing men for sexists remarks help or hinder equality of the sexes?
Could it even be viable?
Would you want to go down that route?

I had the last question reversed onto me how about some observations from you this time 😁💐

A talk show host today said in order for there to be real equality of the sexes men have to want it so basically he was saying patriarchy can only become a thing of the past if men decide it’s going to happen not before.
That’s a chilling thought.

Hey harv

Chilling but true i reckon

it seems that it is mostly the rich and influenced that are hogging the limelight, the people that don’t get heard or fear talking about it remain silent
Yes I agree with this. We are lucky in the UK that power dynamics/women's rights eye means we can speak about this, especially more privileged women. In other countries where women are still very dependent in men, it is more difficult.
Having said that, the media backlash against #metoo shows how far we still have to go

Dear Quentin well said and where does this dependency come from,? centuries of brainwashing and violence, and that’s why men want to keep the status quo,

@QuentinSummers "In other countries where women are still very dependent in men, it is more difficult." I agree, but I hope seeing women in the west get more power back (I believe we once had power, it was not always like this), is right for them to see it is possible.

"Having said that, the media backlash against #metoo shows how far we still have to go" YES, how can the media have a backlash against victims of violence, can you imagine if this were so against men!

There is a fabulous blog about this somewhere, I will try and find it.

@48harv
@Rufustherenegadereindeer1
@QuentinSummers

Patriarchy thing of the past "Chilling but true i reckon" I do kind of agree, unless we change things by force! Which I reckon most women do not want to do.

BUT I think/hope that as patriarchy is not 100% good for men, so increasingly men may realize this and work for a more equitable and better society with women.

Will we women who want this one day need to work around the whole trans agenda to bring about the end of patriarchy? How would that work?

I feel the whole trans thing has been hugely de-railing for feminism, while acknowledging this may be necessarily so. Does that make sense?

Should we be fighting for individual self contained loos and changing etc rather than trying to control who uses communal ones?

If males dressing like 'traditional' females (can't remember last time I saw many women in a skirt or a dress except at a formal event or on a very hot summer's day - when did we last have one!) and more women wear trousers and boots and tops than anything else, well if that happens would trans women actually still want the same clothes as traditional females or the new androgynous look? Would trans men want flowery shirts to look like real men. Could this mix up in a food mixer eventually really change how we see ourselves and others?

It will not affect people with genuine body dysforia, but for those who are males and like lacy things if all males likes lacy things would those males feel they were typical - again this is not about body dysforia.

Just an idea.

Should we be fighting for individual self contained loos and changing etc rather than trying to control who uses communal ones?

No. We should be fighting for the ability of women to a) define themselves, b) organise among themselves, and c) fight for their rights, without reference to men.

Even the tiny, tiny, number of men who have catastrophic dysphoria, like Harv. I have no problem with Harv whatsoever - hi Harv, you seem like a nice person and I'm glad transition eased your suffering! - but Harv has nothing whatsoever to do with feminism or women's rights.

I happily concede that post-op transsexuals have, in practice, vacated the category of men and, in some psychosocial respects, are better included in the category of women, on an individual and consensual basis. But this vulnerable population of people like Harv is tinier than tiny. And this population has nothing to do with feminism or women organising to protect and defend and further their rights.

An interesting example of women being erased in the past. www.historytoday.com/patricia-lundy/sacred-songs-dead

"Should we be fighting for individual self contained loos and changing etc rather than trying to control who uses communal ones?"

Only if women want them. And I don't think they do. The only time I've come across women wanting self contained Loo's is in preference to unisex Loo's.

If the trans community want something, they have proved that they are more than capable of achieving it.

@LangCleg I'm theory I completely agree.

In practice I am not sure how that works.

I want safe self contained single loos. Probably just not enough to campaign. Was just one aspect.

Dear LangCleg,
Hi to you to, 😁
yes you have the general measure of me correct but I would like to help, Your points about having nothing to do with feminism are true, by being not a true women negates my position in the world of women, but I have an awful lot to offer.
I do get the door opened for me, and the offer of seat on the bus (at times😊). Maybe because I am now wrinkly hehe.
I don’t think I ever took to the role of a man (or boy) as to where I was in the world ,I always felt excluded, almost like they knew I was an outsider, and as I couldn’t openly declare my inner self I was not part of the women’s world either, for years it didn’t bother me it was only when I became more vocal about world events, that I detested the gulf between the male and female genders, I was. Late bloomer I guess.

Dear Italiangreyhound, you say you want self contained loos for the safety angle and I agree, but is this not the surrender of more if your rights, you should be able to walk around naked in a woman only space without fear (if that’s what you want to do if course). Or shower in a woman’s cubicle without fear and wear whatever you want without fear.
This should not be a gift from men it is a basic human right.

Did anyone watch the mini series “the Ascent of woman” by Dr Amanda Foreman on BBC2.
In Anotolia in central Turkey
A site named catalhoyuk in Turkey is one of the earliest known sites in human evolution from around 7.5 1000 year BC it was discovered that early inhabitants were gender neutral.
In the following millennia roles began to change with the introduction of farming and domestic work.
Sumer in what is now Iraq began to alter the status of women into the 2nd gender as it is recognised today by 2300BC when the Assyrian tyrant Tzargon the great invaded Sumer and made it a vassal State , after that it was all down hill for the rights of women.

Sorry about the history lesson 😁

Dear Italiangreyhound on you observations on trans dress code, I agree wholeheartedly with your observations, when I was younger (a lot younger) women wore dresses and skirts so I did to, but today as I said before I wear mostly uni sex for functionality. In fact my Sister visited after a long absence and commented on that very fact, and asked me why I was not in skirts more often, she was the first person I ever told if my inner me.

@48harv "Dear Italiangreyhound, you say you want self contained loos for the safety angle and I agree, but is this not the surrender of more if your rights, you should be able to walk around naked in a woman only space without fear (if that’s what you want to do if course)."

I didn't say for safety. I rarely feel unsafe in the loos. But I know some people who do. I think just for comfort I'd rather know that I was in a self-contained room rather than a stall, with others waiting outside, inches/centimeters away! Maybe I am just a very private person.

I never feel the need to walk around naked. Not even at home. Nakedness to me is somewhat overrated!

"Or shower in a woman’s cubicle without fear and wear whatever you want without fear. This should not be a gift from men it is a basic human right." I totally agree but for me being able to use communal loos isn't part of it for me.

I guess this is just one issue.