ITV Transformation Street

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On tv tonight.

But here's an article to give you a taste of what its going to be like:www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/transformation-street-itv-transgender-documentary-a3737876.html

But it has to go both ways. I have to feel that the person on the other side of the conversation is engaging with me.

Yep. Harv is talking at us, not to us, and again, once this has happened a hundred time the willingness to suspend disbelief fades considerably.

Dear angry attack kittens, you say your dad was actually a woman all along , surely that is a contradiction on your comments about me still being a man ?
I was not talking at you my initial communications with italiangreyhound and others was both cordial and pleasant, it only deteriorated with my statement about the menopause then I was verbally accused of lying and then the chat became more hostile now you can pick up on the words hostile, and deteriorated but from my perspective that’s how I felt, so of course I argued back , I was hurt by the attacks as I saw yours and others abrasive ness towards all I said from then on. I had accepted that my symptoms did not reflect the extent of what a true female suffers through her menopause but by then you were no longer listening. And the murder a few streets away from me was that of a woman in 2017 my friend just got some of the facts twisted and as she is my only friend that is aware of my true past she put the wrong slant on the facts, I just said what I was told, I would love to continue to put input into the conversations and regret any and all offence that I have caused unintentionally.

Sorry I should have quoted the statement correctly ...you said apparently not actually as I wrote. The rest of what I said is how I feel, I understand I can never be a biological woman that is impossible, but most of the people in my predicament get upset when being reminded of the fact, we are after all human beings and are just trying to make the best of what life dealt us, I fully understand that a minority of the general population see transexuals as an anathama that lacks understanding, and yes we can be self centred and inward thinking but we generally just wish to be let alone to get on, I understand that people that are faced by a clearly male person approaching them in a dress is daunting and possibly distressing but just think of the grit that person has shown to be on the street in the first place.

harv should we ignore our biology so not to hurt people’s feelings? Should we change the definition of woman from a biological reality to an idea in someone’s head so not to upset someone? Why are trans feelings more important than women’s realities?

I don’t think you are listening because we have said time and time and time again we don’t give a fuck what people wear. It’s not the fact that trans people where dresses that we have an issue with. Honestly.
Men wearing dresses is good for us, it actually pushes gender boundaries. It’s not good for us when the man says I’m wearing a dress therefore I’m a woman.

I understand that people that are faced by a clearly male person approaching them in a dress is daunting and possibly distressing but just think of the grit that person has shown to be on the street in the first place.

Eh? How the hell do we know what grit they have faced? Seriously?

What's the difference between a man who has faced grit, and a man who wants to make me feel desperately uncomfortable or worse??

We don't divide men into those who have had a difficult life, and those who haven't, and then segregate on that basis!

In fact, i'll be willing to bet that almost every sex offender has had a difficult life.

It's completely illogical to equate a difficult life with being benign.

And why should a total stranger's dissatisfaction with their life have any bearing, whatsoever, on my safety?

As it is, I always try to blend in so my attire is always understated, I only wear a dress if I am invited out by one of the men in my life to dinner or a gathering of some sort, or if it is a lovely summers day I might wear a skirt that suits a nearly 70 year old woman gone are the shorter skirts (ones that came about an inch above the knee) now they are 2 or more inches below the knee,

I literally don’t know how many times I can say this. ITS NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU WEAR.
Wear whatever you like, honestly. No one cares, nobody. (Well some people might but I doubt anyone here does).
Its about the fact that trans activists say that wearing that dress makes you a biological woman.

But why do you equate a man dressing as a woman to that of a sex offender and a threat to your safety? Most offenders of this type are male and wouldn’t be seen dead in a dress, God I have watched enough of the news where this behaviour is reported, take today’s news as an example an 8 year old girl murdered by a man and in America 13 children treated to terrible evil by a man and a woman, neither of these cases state the offenders are transexual

Did I not say in my passage earlier that I accept I could never be a biological woman it was impossible, all I can do is pass as one in public

What do you want us to do sit indoors behind the drawn curtains, personally I have held down full time employment until I retired and still look after elderly people in my community on a daily basis and pride myself in what I have achieved so far.

But why do you equate a man dressing as a woman to that of a sex offender and a threat to your safety?

Because many men claim they are transwomen when they have a cross dressing fetish.

Course not. As you obviously know since you can read.

Women fully support the rights of transwomen to housing, employment, acceptance.

Just not those rights reserved for women and those specific spaces that are segregated on the basis of sex.

Please don’t take my arguments as to me being a trans activist, as I said when I first came on this forum I thought twice before doing so and had decided to stand down and erase the forum from my computer but I feel if I am listened to calmly I can ease your justifiable fears of the people similar to myself

I don’t equate a man in a dress with a threat to my safety. I look at a man in a dress and see a man, in a dress.
Putting on a dress doesn’t magically him a woman and thus it has been proven by studies that trans women retain the same level of violence as a non trans man. I don’t think a trans woman is any more likely to commit a crime than any other biological male, but because I don’t know which ones are a threat to me and which ones aren’t then I’d rather keep them separate.
Also it’s just not true that men wouldn’t put on a dres in orde o get access to women, not true at all, just look at the high level of trans prisoners, 80% of whom are in for sexual crimes.
Men do loads of things to get access to women, they become drs, caretakers in schools, open hotels and secretly install cameras in the bathrooms, why would they not put on a dress?

And the point is that if self id comes in they will no longer even have to put on a dress. You will no longer be able to question any man in the bathroom because all they have to do is ‘self identify’ as a woman and you don’t have to make any effort at all to transition. So therefore it takes away women’s ability to question any man.

It’s a real shame that genuine trans women such as yourself have been caught in the crossfire here. As otherwise we could have just done what we’ve always done, you come into our bathrooms and we pretend not to notice. Simples.

Of course I want you to have a job and a nice life, it’s really not about that and it’s really sad that that is what you’re seeing in our words.
Come out in public, we’ll fight for your right to do so without harassment, we’ll be your allies in securing specialised facilities, we’ll wave your banner for you to be a proud trans woman (or trans woman who just wants to live quietly whatever you prefer).
But as a trans woman. When you change the legal definition of woman to include male bodied people you strip away many of our hard fought for sex based rights that are there to protect us. A sexual discrimination case dissolved into thin air if the thing can happen to both sexes.

This isn’t about you. You’ve been caught in the cross fire. This is about women’s legal rights most of which are based around our biological functions of the breeders and feeders of the species.

Datun what you have just said confuses me

Firstly there are many facets to trans people , transvestites are people that get gratification from wearing female clothes, then there are drag queens, and many other forms of cross dresser, these are nothing to do with people like me, I got no gratification of a sexual nature in dressing as a woman just an intense relief from the inner pain I felt,
I would never impinge in women’s right in fact I am an ardent supporter of all you have and your right to more than you have now

Harv you mention you rarely wear a dress or skirt but say you get relief from inner pain by dressing as a woman.
How do you define dressing as a woman?

I don’t have fears about trans people. I was brought up by lesbians and all my life I have been surrounded by trans women.
The vast majority of them like yourself don’t think they are biologically female and they think the self id thing is harmful to them as it puts them in the same category as transvestites and non binary people.

You see it used to be that there was two type of trans women, the transexual who had gender dysphoria and just wanted to live as a woman and then you had the tranvestite who dressed as a woman at the weekend for a sexual kick. Now it’s very unpc to say that and everyone is just lumped together under ‘transgender’ so mike from accounts who dresses up as Michaela at the weekend is now just as much a trans person as you are.
In fact mike doesn’t even have to dress up he can just suddenly decide that he’s michaela in the middle of the day and then go back to being mike later on. The proposed law change even says you DONT HAVE TO EXPERIENCE GENDER DYSPHORIA to be trans. I mean how does that work?

I understand it’s frustrating to have to live as a woman for two years before you’re allowed to transition but it is so much better than the alternative.

March the 8th is a Sunday I will be in London for the national women’s day March ending at Trafalgar Square for this very reason, perhaps we can meet if you are there.

harv I don’t think you understand what the proposed law change is. You will no longer have to live as a woman for two years or have gender dysphoria to get a gender recognition certificate, so yes it would include transvestites.

If I were you I’d be raaaaaaaaagibg about it.

Dear colcopew I wear unisex attire for convenience as doing housework for elderly people in my community these clothes are more suitable, my inner pain was totally reduced after my operations the choice of clothes was no longer an issue as I was finally at peace with myself

Yes I am angry at that news and am as outraged as you and if you think I am remotely pleased if that became law I will stand by you with every breath in my body

I would never impinge in women’s right in fact I am an ardent supporter of all you have and your right to more than you have now

Well that's great then. We are probably arguing at cross purposes because you don't understand feminism and the reasons why we get annoyed over gender stereotyping and our rights being eroded.

I got no gratification of a sexual nature in dressing as a woman just an intense relief from the inner pain I felt,

Yes I get that.

But currently, there is no legal difference between you and a cross dresser. You might hate that, which is entirely understandable.

But cross dressers are piggybacking on your narrative and your condition.

Claiming they are actually biological women. Claiming that they are lesbians and that lesbians are transphobic for not dating them.

Plus they are also exploiting the law and getting to compete against women in sport, male sex offenders being transferred to female prisons, etc.

This may well be something you completely disagree with.

And that will only help, if you join forces with women against this new wave of transactivists.

if that became law I will stand by you with every breath in my body

Excellent. Spread the word.

If more transsexuals come out and say a transwoman is a transwoman rather than a transwoman is a biological woman, we might have a hope of stopping this law.