Labour party invents new bollocks made-up non-existent definition for woman

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labour.org.uk/members/get-involved/national-youth-elections-2018/

Sixteen uses of the word 'self-defining woman'. Zero uses of 'female', 'biology', or plain 'woman'.

'Woman' is now literally meaningless. A woman can be a bog-standard heterosexual teenage male (Lily Madigan), if he says so.

And obviously with half the places reserved for 'self-defining women' (not 'women', 'self-defining women'), then there's not really any reason why men wouldn't define themselves a women, is there?

If misogynistic shits like Lily Madigan can 'self-define as a woman', well ALL men are women, aren't they?

The whole bloody human race is 'self-defined women'.

Stupid Labour.

Your points only count if you continue think of trans women and men and trans men as women. There should be more trans women in STEM or politics or whatever field, they're currently underrepresented as women are.

Tran women are men. Trans men are women. There absolutely need to be trans women (interesting you don't feel trans men are necessary) in politics and whatever field, but this needs to come by campaigning for trans places, not by snatching badly needed seats from an already woefully under represented minority. There is no way to make that sound ethical. This is why the issue is trans women and you show it in your own post. No one cares about how many trans men take seats away from men, men are already massively over represented in every field.

This is dire. Is resigning membership the best thing to do though? Members have power to vote for the party leader. If all the sane people leave then where is the possibility for change? I would stay, register disquiet, and vote for someone who represented my views next time there was a chance.

De-lurking to say that I'm another soon to be ex Labour party member over this. I'll be writing to my local party to explain why seeing as there's no way of giving that feedback to the central party machine.

I was thinking of spoiling my ballot paper. I'm trying to come up with a short and pithy slogan but I'm worried about doing a Rimmer

I might just scrawl SPARTACUS and use the womens symbol now.

Labour can go fuck themselves

I know trans men and women and they've had to fight against devastating prejudice, some of them losing friends and family because of their desire to live as their true selves.

That's a shame and I'm sorry to hear that but in the nicest possible way that is not a reason for women to give up their own hard fought for rights to make room.

Transmen and women need to fight for their own rights, not ride on the coat tails of women's rights.

They are not real men or women and never will be. Blame biology for that.

I became political as a young person and then a student. Quota systems were needed (and still are) to ensure female voices are heard in politics. Denying young women the opportunity to hold office in favour of young men who have decided for whatever reason they want to define as women is just not fair. By all means have reserved spaces for transpeople, but don't silence young women like this.

ButFirstTea how are you defining a transwoman please?

I’ve tweeted labour, I’m so angry.

It ignores the fact that women and girls have also had to fight tooth and nail to get to where we are, and we make up 50% of the population!

There are many many women who have had to deal with devastating prejudice, and still do, the world over.

People who say oh but look they're having a bad time are entirely and wilfully blind to what is being done to women all over the world every day.

I don't know how twitter works

You set up an account and by using the @ symbol you can direct what you write at someone specific.

You can also use # to link things together. If enough people use the same search or # it trends.

So if we all tweeted #labourarearseholes then you could find all our tweets by searching the # and if enough tweeted it it would trend.

As the Morning Star does not seem to have any truck with this gender self-ID nonsense, would it be worth voting for a Communist candidate of some kind in general or local elections? (if there is one standing in your constituency)
I have always voted Labour but I too would not be able to bring myself to vote for them in future, unless things change radically. I don't think the Lib-Dems are any better on this issue, nor the Greens. And we all know about the WEP.

Wow, not related to this specific issue but labour are ON FIRE lately...

@stitchglitched

Women 'assigned male at birth' but who now live as women, present as women in their day to day life etc. How do you define them, is it different? Not meaning that to sound snarky just wondering if there is a genuine disagreement over what trans means.

Do you think this language is a deliberate choice to appeal to young voters, or a result of the high level of youth participation in the party?

Good question. I suspect a bit of both, and the comms team consulted their youth membership around terminology etc.

‘assigned male at birth' - I don’t get it, it’s not like there’s a random selection in the labour ward is it? Or does it just go girl boy girl boy girl boy?

ButTeaFirst

Self defining as a woman does not involve dressing any particular way (how do women dress anyway?), behaving a certain way (how do women behave anyway?) etc

In this case it simply means ticking a box, and if they ask, say, I self identify as a woman. There is no requirement to take any other action.

Out of interest, how does one "present" as a woman?

Women 'assigned male at birth' but who now live as women, present as women in their day to day life etc. How do you define them, is it different? Not meaning that to sound snarky just wondering if there is a genuine disagreement over what trans means.

Well maybe. What do you think trans means? Do you think some women got trapped in men's bodies? They are male. "Assigned male at birth" is a loaded term appropriated from the intersex community. MTF trans people have not been socialised as women. Nor do most of them "pass" as women in day to day life. So they are not read as women,

'Assigned Male at birth'

You don't get assigned anything at birth, it's biological fact not a lucky dip. A doctor or midwife looks at your genitals when you are born and if you have a penis you are Male and if you have a vagina you are female. Occasionally some people are born with a condition which makes them intersex but these people are rare.

What does 'presenting and living as a woman' mean?

There should be more trans women in STEM or politics or whatever field, they're currently underrepresented as women are.

Why?

Well this is shit. Here in Scotland we always have the lovely liberal SNP to turn to but they're even worse. They want boys to be allowed to sleep in with girls on school trips and parents won't be told about it.

Fuck the fucking lot of them.

So are they women or not? A different category then? This is getting very confusing these days.

So you leave the LP or stop voting for the LP- then what? What's the alternative? Why do you think the Tories keep getting back in?

Women 'assigned male at birth' but who now live as women, present as women in their day to day life etc.

What does 'present as women' mean? Do they do all the cooking, washing up, washing, sort out the kids, the christmas card list, everyone's presents, kids parties, demand to be paid only 80% of the pay that men get etc? Or do you mean pop a frock on each morning?