Labour party invents new bollocks made-up non-existent definition for woman

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labour.org.uk/members/get-involved/national-youth-elections-2018/

Sixteen uses of the word 'self-defining woman'. Zero uses of 'female', 'biology', or plain 'woman'.

'Woman' is now literally meaningless. A woman can be a bog-standard heterosexual teenage male (Lily Madigan), if he says so.

And obviously with half the places reserved for 'self-defining women' (not 'women', 'self-defining women'), then there's not really any reason why men wouldn't define themselves a women, is there?

If misogynistic shits like Lily Madigan can 'self-define as a woman', well ALL men are women, aren't they?

The whole bloody human race is 'self-defined women'.

Stupid Labour.

I'm reading comments on twitter. It's vile rubbish or claims of transphobia with no back up explanation of how that is the case.

However, an amazing group of women carefully unpicking and asking questions that provoke thought - often no response.

The Ralph Little stuff is an example of this.

The problem is; as soon as the law states that trans women are women, it makes a mockery of all male only institutions. And they won't be happy. So all the TRAs asking various people their stance on trans are women are getting silence. (Eg Jess Philips).

Mimi my East Midlands male MP (marginal seat, lost in 2015 but won back in 2017) was excellent at replying but was similarly non commital. Wonder if we have the same one?

You being transphobic doesn't make the Labour party anti-feminist or anti-woman. It makes you intolerant and intolerable.

phobic?

are all-women shortlists male-phobic?

or did you just use a word where it isn't appropriate?

Hi FirstTime, welcome to mumsnet. Your starter for 10 - what makes transwomen women?

@Firsttimebumper1

Have you read - carefully - the explanation for the go fund me appeal? In what way is this transphobic?

'We are absolutely committed to trans people, as a marginalised group, living free from discrimination and violence: we need trans representatives, trans councillors and trans MPs in our party. We are socialists and we are egalitarians. However, trans representation must not happen at the expense of female candidates and we are furious that we are having to fight another battle for women's representation, just 100 years after the suffragette victories.'

Eggbert,I don't think so,mine has been the MP for this area since 1997.His office generally respond very quickly but I think most MP's are generally fearful about giving their views on any part of the GRA.

Every respect in which I am discriminated against as a woman has its roots in my sex's reproductive capacity and female physiology. I am paid less because I am female. I am at greater risk of rape because I am female. I am less able to fight off my rapist because I am female. If I lived in parts of Africa, I would be at risk of having my genitals cut off because I was female. If I was conceived in China I would be at risk of being aborted at birth because I was female. In the majority of American states, as a child I could be forced by my parents to marry my rapist, despite being beneath the age of sexual consent. In Nicagua, I could be imprisoned for having a miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy.

Transwomen are fully deserving of human rights. I support that 100%. They do not get to have women's rights, because women's rights are about the protections women need because of their biology in a patriarchal world where men treat them as the sex/reproductive class and oppress them on the basis of biology.

I am paid less because I am female. I am at greater risk of rape because I am female. I am less able to fight off my rapist because I am female. If I lived in parts of Africa, I would be at risk of having my genitals cut off because I was female. If I was conceived in China I would be at risk of being aborted at birth because I was female. In the majority of American states, as a child I could be forced by my parents to marry my rapist, despite being beneath the age of sexual consent. In Nicagua, I could be imprisoned for having a miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy.

If I have an unwanted pregnancy I may not be able to access an abortion.

If I have unprotected sex I may not be able to access post-coital contraception.

If I travel in public I will experience being groped.

If I get pregnant I risk being discriminated against at work, possibly losing my financial independence.

If I am in an abusive relationship I may be killed by my partner.

If I am brave enough to report my abuser I will probably not be believed.

If I am raped it was because I was asking for it.

I will experience PMT, painful endometriosis, a host of pregnancy related health issues, menopause and osteoporosis.

I may be trafficked for sex work.

I may be married aged 10 to a man 30 years older.

ALL BECAUSE OF MY BIOLOGY.

WHICH TIM DO NOT SHARE.

Maybe we should get a very long list like the above and post it every single time someone says transwomen are women?

My MP has put on Twitter today that transwomen are women. Guess that clears that up then!

Yup, mine has also retweeted the bollocks statement about Labour policy being to "have an inclusive definition of women." In other words, one which simply defines women to be anyone who doesn't fancy being a man.

Have the fucking misogynist brocialists got an inclusive definition of men?

No of course the fuckers haven't

My MP is Tory, male, gay &, incidentally, pretty useless

So very little point in asking his help I think

Very good point, Basil.

So far I want a fucking drawer full of T shirts, starting with "Being a woman is not a feeling in a man's head." Maybe "I heart Germaine". And "I am not cis, you fucking tosspot."

No I’m sorry but it has been decided - ‘you ain’t no sister, bruv’ and a photo of Dick Emery in dolly bird character.

Transwomen are women is a logical fallacy in the "begs the question" category.
You simply cannot 'mind over matter' reality no matter how much you wish or how many surgeries you have in an effort to fool the eye.
It is frightening to have the very people responsible for public policy adopting a misogynist fantasy.

God, how silly are this lot going to look in five to ten years’ time for having gone along with it?

firsttime, why don't you care about trans men? This decision doesn't help them at all, in fact it makes things worse for them. Why are YOU so transphobic?

Yup, mine has also retweeted the bollocks statement about Labour policy being to "have an inclusive definition of women." In other words, one which simply defines women to be anyone who doesn't fancy being a man.

... or any man with political ambitions.

Fekko

My MP is BFF with Toby Young. I'm thinking he's not interested in women's concerns 🤔

Said it before and saying it again.
Can you mandate belief?
Can you codify into law the idea that some people can mind over matter themselves out of material reality and into the opposite sex and must be treated accordingly?
It is like transubstantiation. A belief that no one actually believes.
Will you allow people to drug and mutilate children based on this belief that no one believes?

I sick to death of women patiently, politely making reasoned, intelligent explanations and attempts to educate whenever someone arrives on a thread, spits out 'you're all subhuman transphobes' and flounces. It doesn't win any arguments, it just makes you look silly and childish.

Labours 'inclusive definition of women' is equally silly, misogynistic and superior. No, men and political parties don't get to unilaterally dictate my reality of anyone else's, and my response is becoming an increasingly exasperated I honestly don't care if you want to say silly things and shout names and make threats. You can fuck off with that nonsense, I am not buying it. And my respect for the other side of the debate decreases with every exposure to the ill educated twits making it.

PP said "It makes you intolerant and intolerable"

Well I'm trying to be both. It's all new to me saying,

I can not tolerate this (intolerant)

I will keep on and on and be a thorn in people's sides (intolerable)

I'm having to work really hard to overcome my socialisation and tendency to be compassionate and inclusive and nice and self sacrificing. Who knows i might get good at it and actually be able to say what I think

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