Labour party invents new bollocks made-up non-existent definition for woman

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Sixteen uses of the word 'self-defining woman'. Zero uses of 'female', 'biology', or plain 'woman'.

'Woman' is now literally meaningless. A woman can be a bog-standard heterosexual teenage male (Lily Madigan), if he says so.

And obviously with half the places reserved for 'self-defining women' (not 'women', 'self-defining women'), then there's not really any reason why men wouldn't define themselves a women, is there?

If misogynistic shits like Lily Madigan can 'self-define as a woman', well ALL men are women, aren't they?

The whole bloody human race is 'self-defined women'.

Stupid Labour.

I agree Pay. There's a brilliantly prescient bit in one of John Wyndham's books, "Trouble with Lichen", where our heroine (much to her parents' bemusement she has gone to grammar school, done science, got a scholarship to Cambridge, gone into biochemistry research... and shows no signs of getting married) goes to a school reunion, and one of the wonderful crusty old spinster teachers (I mean this as a positive - I am now a 50 something spinster myself, spinsters rock!) says something along the lines of "society has changed its tactics from coercion to diddle. Instead of saying "you must be a housewife" they're now dressing it up as "surely you want to be a home-maker."

Funny how on the ball all of these writers seem now - Orwell with Newspeak and "Four legs good, Two legs bad" morphing into "Four legs good, two legs better", Huxley with the social conditioning in "Brave New World" (I always thought for all the brilliance of 1984, Brave New World was the one that captured what the future would look like), and Wyndham with some of his asides about sexism within society.

Gingernaut how much of this is self funded I wonder?
PricklyBall Brave New World ( which I've not read all of) seems to capture sex as a commodified transaction and motherhood as an obscene embarrassment. I love John Wyndham!
they're now dressing it up as "surely you want to be a home-maker
I noticed this Stepfordisation happening about 15 years ago; seemed to go from ironic to literal intensely about 5 years ago. Fashions I noticed seem to be for young girls and women to dress and particularly put on make up like they are transexual or whatever the word is; Caked on; handmaid hair; silent; emaciated, shoes that you can't kick or run in of course.

And of course it's brilliant when you see the thousands of girls and young women who don't feel they have to 'present' like that.

So weird when you compare the way they feel they have to look but and speak compared to even 20 years ago.

No idea!

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@Payfrozen

I say, "What about women's sport?" They say well sport has always been unfair because some people are born with longer legs.

That's bordering on martyrdom. Why not just forget about sex segregation in sport at all, after all some people just have a natural advantage?

I'm happy the Labour party hasn't given in to the recent media push against trans rights.

We are discussing Labour asserting the trans right to displace women. Is it a trans right? Is sex no longer a protected category? These are important questions that go directly to women's ability to participate in the public sphere.

It has been my observation that the more exposure young women have to transwomen and their advocates the sooner they reach peak trans.

Just your typical TRA ahem, I mean MRA.

Trans rights are men's rights and men's rights are trans rights.

Trans rights are men's rights and men's rights are trans rights

Most men I know think this whole thing is ridiculous and maybe just about mist women think it's fine. Which in itself is bizarre.

Exactly. I definitely feel more people are happy to voice concerns at the moment. I never thought the day would come when the daily mail and express were ones I was in agreement with. I long for the good old days when everything they print is against everything I stand for.

John Wyndham: I love his books and can read them over and over again but he does seem to have conflicting views about women in his books. He writes some great female characters who are very bright and capable and I have always imagined these are based on individual women he respected and liked. But he occasionally drops in some quite dismissive attitudes towards women in general which I imagine are based on quite well off women of his social class: that they aren't scientifically minded, don't like to get their hands dirty, act all helpless and just want babies, with no reflection on the fact that such women weren't allowed by men to have many other roles in society at the time, nor any reflection that working class women probably worked bloody hard physically. He wrote a book called Consider her Ways which I read years ago but remember it being all about a world where women were in charge and it was nothing but pink fluffy stuff and babies being born. I wish I could remember it better but it left me with the impression he thought women were airheads. That said, I love most of his books and acknowledge that authors are of their time.

Slightly off topic, sorry!

Well that’s fair enough really. Individually there are men I trust and admire but as a class I find them scary and violent. If I wrote a book about an all-male world my husband would probably struggle to recognise himself in any of the key characters.

And that's the fitting response to all the "transwomen are women, end of" comments! Why is it the phrase that springs to my mind is "she persisted"?

Actually, the more i think about it, the more I am thinking cancelling my Labour party membership and donating the subs instead might be a good ongoing tactic (though Jennifer James has said she wants gender critical women to stay in the party).

Welsh, I was at the Glasgow talk this week. One of the transactivists was a tall young man with purple hair who sat with the most spiteful smirk on his face. The thought that MRAs like him will be able to go anywhere I can go once this awful law goes through, and presumably revel in making women feel uncomfortable, is horrendous.

YY. that's exactly what they will do.

@BlindYeo

Consider Her Ways had a variety of roles for women, all sort of based on ant society (it’s a biblical quote - ‘Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise’). Men had died out.

So there were huge helpless mothers (that was the pink fluffy stuff) and little bustling workers & others. The main character had time travelled (usual Wyndham stuff ) & was horrified to find no men - she ended up going back to try to reverse whatever chemical calamity had killed the men. I don’t think Wyndham was sneering at women.

EamonnWright
Sorry I was not clear. I was referring to MRAs. Men's Rights Advocates who have always embraced the 8th rule of misogyny: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.

ATeardropExplodes The person you cite is a demented trans troll from New Zealand, Angelica Perduta is one of his names. He justified the murder of two lesbians and their son by transwoman/activist Dana Rivers: "Reap what you sow."

I wrote to my MP who is also minister for women setting out my concerns about the amendments to the GRA. My specific concern is the potential for men to more easily gain access to women's safe spaces where they can harass and commit violence against women. I'll let you all know if she replies. The only other time I emailed her (brexit) she did reply quite quickly but it was a very generic reply.

Gingernaut at that Telegraphy article. There ends evidence based healthcare replaced by identity politics.

In terms of self identifying women, where does the Labour party stand on adult women with severe learning difficulties and mental impairments who are intellectually incapable of 'self identifying' as women? How about women with dementia, amnesia etc? If they are not able to self identify as women, are they not women in the yes of the Labour party?

Isn't that incredibly disablist?

*eyes of the Labour party

In terms of self identifying women, where does the Labour party stand on adult women with severe learning difficulties and mental impairments who are intellectually incapable of 'self identifying' as women? How about women with dementia, amnesia etc? If they are not able to self identify as women, are they not women in the yes of the Labour party?

Yes, good point.

Actually, that definition also presumably excludes anyone currently asleep (or dead, but being dead probably rules you out of politics anyway).

Yes they are in breach, there is a GoFundMe page set up to collect for a legal challenge to this nonsense. It's collected £10,000 in just one day.