Man in Brighton exposes himself to children while wearing womens clothes claims athletes foot made him do it

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Don't worry this kind of thing never happens!

QuentinSummers

Were both not challenged and charged, and no one called a bigot.

So if Danielle Muscato waltzes in with his beard and full male outfit I can just ask him to show me his driving licence? Seriously?

Have you noticed that people anticipate and respond to the general gist of the law? Like that even before the GRA amendments have even been discussed, public bodies are actioning them as if they're law? Expectations already are that self id is in place, hence the individual a few weeks ago who threw a tantrum in topshop for being questioned on using the changing room of his choice. The gist will be men can go anywhere, into any woman's space, facility and resource, and women are no longer entitled to classify themselves as a group or be apart from men.

Any male looking person in the ladies will rightfully be challenged both now and after self id GRA. It wont be a crime to do so.

Debbie

If they say that they're trans, then they're trans, under the current doctrine. That's the effect of the current Equality Act provision and will be further codified under the proposed amendments to the GRA.

So, no, nobody will challenge a male person in a female space now. It would be considered discriminatory tor do so, and anyway, there are no "facts" to establish in law any more;

"Oi what you doin' in 'ere mate?"

"I'm a lady"

"I do apologise Miss. So sorry for disturbing you."

Even that exchange would be considered discrimination or harassment or some such and it would be utterly pointless in any case.

BatShite

Why would anyone not transitiong and taking other steps do a stat dec.

It wont save them from a criminal charge, but might show planning and intent. It wont stop them being challenged for the other docs they don't have as if like the current GRC the other docs are the only ones that can be asked for.

Its a bit of admin at the end of transition, nothing more and certainly not a very good tool for a perv

I've got you a hot sweet on standby for when the full impact hits you Debbie You're doing that thing I clearly remember doing of applying logic and assuming logic from society

If it is just a bit of admin at the end of transitioning, can you explain to me what the point is in the proposed changes? Someone who has transitioned would already have a diagnosis of sex dysphoria, would have been 'living as' their chosen sex and such. So how would removing these requirements help such people? Literally the only people that this will benefit, are pisstakers.

Yes, the 140 quid cost would not be there. But this is already waived for those on a low income.

So I am really struggling to see what the point is in any changes to this when it works fine as it is?

Do we not have any common sense anymore.

Beard, suit and tie in the ladies shouldn't be there, no one is going to be prosecuted for anything if they challenge that.

Trans women making an effort but struggling and not really passing, a bit of sympathy, some makeup tips and help with her hair would be nicer.

Someone having a wank in the corner, call the police.

there are other costs involved in obtaining the correct documentation before the GRC cost.

Medical reports can cost I agree, just as they do for people with disabilities when they need to claim a benefit (and again when they request an MR and again when they go to appeal and then again when they are reassessed within a few months of winning their appeal ...)

There is more than a 5 bits of paperwork needed.

This is from the official guidance: Typically five or six different documents should be included with an application including where relevant a passport, driving licence, payslips or benefit documents, utility bills or other documents of an official nature.

Out of this list only the passport costs anything to change.

If its so easy then it makes no odds to let self ID which is easy too.

The current process requires a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. I don't think that requirement should be removed. It's one thing expecting women to be kind and budge up for those who are genuinely suffering, quite another to expect the same for any man just because he says so.

The vast majority who have been through the process say its intrusive and costly.

And? People say all sorts of things, like 'transwomen are women' and 'sex is nothing to do with genitals' and 'a man can give birth'.

How would you visually tell which is trans and which isn't, if they came into a women's only space with you, debbie?

If you were getting out of your sweaty gym clothes in the women's changing room at the gym, how would you tell whether the person next to you was a Shauna or a Michael?

Do you think sex segregation is appropriate in any circumstances or do you think we will be fine using unisex spaces at all times?

Beard, suit and tie in the ladies shouldn't be there, no one is going to be prosecuted for anything if they challenge that.
You realise this is stereotypical nonsense right?

No people in suits and ties should not be in the ladies, but people with penises are fine. Its the suit and tie (and beard) that are the problem

Trans women making an effort but struggling and not really passing, a bit of sympathy, some makeup tips and help with her hair would be nicer.

Haha are you for real? I don't think a "not really passing" trans woman would like attention drawn to that fact. And if they are "not really passing" makeup/hair tips aren't going to be the thing that makes the difference. That's a funny thing to say.

Do we not have any common sense anymore.

NO! It's being legislated away

That's what we're all so exercised about Debbie

Beard, suit and tie in the ladies shouldn't be there, no one is going to be prosecuted for anything if they challenge that.

Trans women making an effort but struggling and not really passing, a bit of sympathy, some makeup tips and help with her hair would be nicer.

What exactly is it about the second person in this scenario that gives him any more right to be in a female only space than the first person?

No people in suits and ties should not be in the ladies, but people with penises are fine. Its the suit and tie (and beard) that are the problem hmm

I wear a suit and tie for work (and often have way too much chin hair).

And to an earlier point about trans men in toilets - I'd much rather masculine presenting females than feminine presenting males in the ladies toilets; they are likely to be more around my size and strength than a male so in the unlikely event they were a predator I would be much more able to defend myself.

BatShite

Some may have the correct documentation but many now days transition on their own, to do so on the NHS has 1 year to 2 1/2 wait list to even be seen for a first appointment. This forces many to go it alone buying hrt on the internet, by the time they get seen by the NHS they are living in role for years in some cases and that is just the start of assessment.

Not everyone may want to go through the NHS, some may transition but not medically, are they piss takers, not really if they do all the other things that go with transitioning. but they may not feel the need to see the NHS just to get a bit of paper (diagnosis) in order to get another bit of paper (GRC) whos only job is to get a third bit of paper (birth certificate) so that HMRC (and pretty much no one else) recognises their gender. Or they could just pop into the solicitors and sign a stat dec.

There are a lot of people transitioned who don't have GRC's there is a reason for that, many of which have been highlighted in the women and equality commission report. Its thought that a simpler process will open it up to the genuine cases.

There is scant little evidence of abuse in the countries that already have it and most certainly not the scare stories told on here which to be honest only serve to make both trans and natal women scared of their own shadows.

So it's not transphobic any more to challenge a male person going into a women's toilet? When did that happen?

If I see Travis from Topshop going into the Women's toilets next door can I object? Without being called transphobic, bigoted, TERF?

Up until recently I could object. I could say "that's a man, what's he doing her with all the teenage girls".

Similarly if the man in the op scratched his balls in the women's changing room at my local gym, I could object and he'd be kicked out. In future (or possibly even now) he just has to say "I'm a woman, I was just drying myself" and asking him to leave will be transphobic and an excuse for a call to boycott the gym.

I don't mind Tifs (transmen?) in female spaces. They are female.

Any male looking person in the ladies will rightfully be challenged both now and after self id GRA

They all look male. How are we supposed to tell the difference?

Sorry i give up on trying to keep up on the assault on my posts. I have a xmas cake with no marzipan that is already well behind schedule.

Maybe later.

And wtf has "passing" to do with it?

A woman who is, for example, taller and more muscular than average and hash strong "male" features is still a woman. She can go to the women's toilets in jeans and doc martens; she doesn't have to do her hair and makeup in such a way as to look more "feminine".

ffs. We are back in the 1950s.

How well someone's hair is done doesn't determine their right of access

Theres no assault on your posts Debbie. You just arent very well informed.

Up until recently I could object. I could say "that's a man, what's he doing her with all the teenage girls".

Or indeed call the police and say there's a man in scanty women's clothing hanging around the children's playground looking shifty, BEFORE he committed a sex Act. Not now It's bigotry to find that alarming now.

Debbie, just answer - is it not transphobic to challenge a male-looking person in the women's toilets?

If it isn't, great.

There's no assault debbie. You're just benignly outnumbered because you haven't peaked yet.

so that HMRC (and pretty much no one else) recognises their gender

and prisons.