Lily Madigan, TIM, elected Labour women's officer

[jMillicentFawcett]

Lily is 19. Lily was instrumental in the hate campaign against Anne Ruzylo which resulted in her standing down.

You have to be a woman to be women’s officer but ‘The Labour councillor said that “lived experience as a woman” should be considered an advantage — but not a prerequisite — for the role of women’s officer.’

Lily could also have gone for the LGBT officer role but they didn’t want that. No, they wanted to show women that they can shit all over them and we will applaud them for doing it.

I’m absolutely furious about this ( as you can probably tell)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-teenager-lily-madigan-voted-in-as-a-labour-women-s-officer-mwchkhzq8?shareToken=472df23aa6315582a4f6558d7a1be5ba

‘Lily’ has a fairly open Facebook page where you can comment on her posts. Just do you know

I can't understand why trans women are perceived to be less privileged than women when we have shit like this happening. It's a classic case of male entitlement

Now Labour are supporting him getting a Jo Cox scholarship

Lily has a fairly open Facebook page. Just so you know

I might join the Labour Party -just so I can leave

Slight digression but there is a bit about this here:

www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/16/james-damore-google-memo-interview-autism-regrets

"One such discussion appears to have contributed to the downfall of another autistic Google engineer who does not want to be identified because, like Damore, he is still looking for work.

He was fired last year in the wake of a dispute with a female colleague and unrelated comments he made at a company-wide gathering themed around LGBT rights.

The engineer queried the use of non-binary pronouns during the meeting and bluntly questioned whether gender is on a spectrum. After complaints from several employees, the engineer was given a disciplinary warning and banned from future gatherings. He alleges his dismissal is explained by Google’s failure to understand how autism causes him to talk or act in ways that others misinterpret. Google declined to comment on his dismissal."

Managing autistic people is a topic in itself.

I’ve been living as a woman for over 50 years. I wonder if my opinions diminish exponentially as time passes. My dd has been living as a female for 10 years . Is it too late for her?
Apologies for the glib nonsense but I just don’t see how Lily is qualified.

I still want to ask a transwoman what it means to "live as a woman". I doubt it is similar to me, I hardly wear makeup, mostly live in trainers, have a geeky job and sometimes have heavy periods. What makes them a woman? Without referring to sex stereotypes?

She's got balls; I give her that

Those old Twitter accounts. Nothing on them about being trans. But a whole heap of obsession with Harry Potter.

A Harry Potter obsessed, attention seeking, militant teen boy, who thinks rape jokes are funny.

Exactly the kind of person you want representing women’s issues.

I couldn't sleep last night and sat up watching Germaine Greer on YouTube. Just for a while, it made things better.

I know someone transitioning- getting their head round that is their non-work focus. It is a huge step with all kinds of stuff to be worked through. It ain’t like changing a car. Lily thinks she can absorb the female experience in 5 mins and represent.
Don’t think so, love.

oh, the "living as a woman" thing gives me the rage.

someone upthread mentioned about the TRA having gone directly to centres of power, which I'm vaguely aware of - but I don't know who these campaigners are? I'm interested to know how some of them have presented at these sorts of meetings.

I never understood what living as a woman means as well.

I do wear dresses and lipstick, so does that mean I'm more of a woman than MrsJamin who posted above?

Because it would seem so, to some.

Madness.

Fully agree with the suicide threat being used as abusive/ coercive tactic.

I am still confused as to how it manages to be effective for transrights (and it undoubtedly is) when my DP (male) has been suicidal due to historic SA and has a disability, and nobody in politics/ government gives two fucks about him or MH provision or helping disabled people live without the constant threat of their benefits being cut or taken away. In that case suicide would only save money = result.

But then suicidal victims of abused disabled people don't reinforce (helpful to males) gender stereotypes do they?

I think living as a woman used to be a requirement for sex change surgery, and meant "passing".

So basically make up, dress and shoes?

Quite reductive.

@suburbanrhonda - sorry, missed your post in the flurry last night. Agree that being trans since the age of 3 is nonsense. But referrals to the Tavistock do start under 5. What kind of nutter wants to fix a pre-school child for stepping outside of gender norms?

absolutely unplugged - the other comparrison with disabled people is that the trans are pushing for a total demedicalisation, while still maintaining access to drugs and surgery, funded on NHS, based on self declaration only.

they have said that the diagnosis of dysphoria, and having to live as their desired gender and being assessed as being a 'genuine' case (dont forget a certain percentage are refused a GRC for, well, who knows why they are not deemed 'suitable' to be given rights as a woman currently) is too intrusive. Teresa May and Jeremy Corbyn have agreed.

Compare that to the hoops and interrogatuion disabled people have to go through to prove they are not scroungers - even WITH medical evidence and diagnosis, see how they are not believed, have to fill in huge amounts of paperwork, undergo some pretty harrowing assessments, go to tribunals. Nobody is allowed to 'self identify' their documented illnesses. It may be of interest to know that many people who identify as trans also get PIP...........

@MillicentFawcett, no worries - I was a bit behind with the thread anyway.

I agree - I’d be very surprised if any child under 5, or indeed under 18, wasn’t in some way gender non-conforming.

BTW, I have NC for these threads just to keep my privacy and do NC a lot anyway.

I also don't want to see the denigration of empathy and compassion and it being written off as a women's trait and/or a weakness as I have seen a few times here and there on these threads. I mean, bloody hell, Jesus was supposed to have been compassionate and he managed to get a whole religion started in his name!!! Why is it only a weakness if women have it?

We should be looking at developing compassion and empathy in men/ males as well as women (and not forcing compassionate/ empathetic men to become women as I think sometimes happens) With the prevalence of sociopaths in powerful positions, clearly many of the men and some women who have real power are devoid of it and need to combat that.

Lily is a good example of someone seeking validation, power and influence but utterly lacking in real empathy. Typical traits of the males who hold power and enjoy power games and playing chess with people's lives.

A man can NEVER live as a woman.

They have not had the socialisation, the periods, the miscarriages [of humans and/or justice], the normalisation, the PMT, the responsibility for not getting pregnant from such an early age, the backaches, the cramps, the insults, the harassment, the whistles, the pisstaking, the expectation, the anger and the ire.

You can't just put a dress on and expect to live as a woman. Because being a woman is not about the pretty, it is about the shitty. It cannot come out of a box.

A man might have some of the above, in terms of anger at not being able to put make up on or dress the way they want or do the job they want. But that should be down to them to campaign to change the expectations that are put upon them. Not to basically steal women away from women and pretend that they are a new type of woman. They aren't.

Yes, exactly so Nettle. It is astonishing what is going on here. It just goes to prove that the underlying agenda it has nothing to do with mental health or welfare.

I (almost) think what we need is for a female from a titled family to come forward and transition to being a man simply to usurp their older brother and take the family title and wealth and place in the House of Lords.

Wouldn't we just see the confusion and double standards and small print then.

Hmmm don’t you have to ‘live as a woman’ for two years to get your gender recognition certificate (though not for long).
I remember talking to a family friend who was transitioning and agreeing it was silly because he was having to wear skirts every day and I didn’t know any women who wear skirts every day.
I don’t think it’s fair to on one hand say that people with gender dysphoria need to show their commitment but then berate them because the hoops that have been created are meaningless.
I don’t see anything wrong with the law as it is now, and the ‘living as a woman’ part, though it is reductive and simplistic is a good way to seperate genuine dysphoric individuals who have a medical condition which symptoms would be lessoned if they transitioned, and gender bending chancers who just like wearing dresses and could just as easily do that as a man.

Spotted via a tweet today;
Article in the Economist subtitled Transgender activists v feminists