Lily Madigan, TIM, elected Labour women's officer

[jMillicentFawcett]

Lily is 19. Lily was instrumental in the hate campaign against Anne Ruzylo which resulted in her standing down.

You have to be a woman to be women’s officer but ‘The Labour councillor said that “lived experience as a woman” should be considered an advantage — but not a prerequisite — for the role of women’s officer.’

Lily could also have gone for the LGBT officer role but they didn’t want that. No, they wanted to show women that they can shit all over them and we will applaud them for doing it.

I’m absolutely furious about this ( as you can probably tell)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-teenager-lily-madigan-voted-in-as-a-labour-women-s-officer-mwchkhzq8?shareToken=472df23aa6315582a4f6558d7a1be5ba

If someone really has cracked time travel, I doubt Lily/Liam’s old twitter account is top of their fix-it list.

But my one thought pause for thought reading Lily's FB profile how young and potentially vulnerable this person is.

And that's how the Lilys of the world win Garlic..when women do this damn considerate, compassionate stuff. If Lily can't take the heat, they can stay the fuck out of the kitchen.

According to Lily's FB, his first Gender Clinic appointment was only on 21 August of this year. That's 3 months ago.

Although he did get boys into the girls toilets at his school last year.

Was just pondering how and why injecting a trans issue into the mix causes otherwise seemingly sensible people to forget everything they otherwise know about the world.

People who work with children know how careful you have to be to make sure their world is age appropriate and makes sense to them. Until a child becomes gender non-conforming in which case there's a headlong rush to impute to them an entirely adult understand of the world and the decisions that they can make about their place in it - hormone blockers, what being a man or a woman is, their future fertility etc. We used to know that children need to be shielded from irrevoacable decisions, because they don't have the capacity to understand them yet - we don't seem to know that now.

We used to know that it wasn't fair for men to compete in women's sports. I remember the trivial pursuit question about who was the only person not to have to undergo sex testing in the 1976 Olympics. (Princess Anne, FYI). We used to know that men and women were physiologically different and we don't know that any more, where men run rampant through roller derby, women's weightlifting, women's cycling, and women's Australian rules football.

And now this. We used to know that in politics, you had to consider the optics of what you were doing. We used to know that it would be a terrible idea to have a person be implicated in hounding another person out of office, and then themselves be elected a month later. But we don't know that any more either.

What do we know? We know who the fuck is in charge and who's interests always come first. Men. But we always knew that.

I find the suicide rate for the trans community terrifying. Yet this is also the thing that gives some activists power too.

It is the shield that can be hidden behind when behaviour is outrageous and unacceptable in other circumstances. It is the thing that family members are held hostage to and cannot express their own personal feelings over the issue, because of it. It's the eggshell that must always be tip toes over.

Don't upset or challenge the trans person or they might kill themselves.

The dynamic is horrible. I've said it before but it is not dissimilar to an abusive relationship.

Lily has used it, as a weapon in the past.

Trans people who do this, know what they are doing. It's not done purely out of genuine concern. It's to get their own way.

The issue for me is his age, rather than transgenderism.

I'm not against having a trans woman's officer, as long as they were suited to the role. I do know a trans woman who would be great at this role as they do respect women.

However, Lily is clearly emotionally immature and inexperienced. If he wasn't trans, he would have got the role. This is positive discrimination. Very unfair.

I could add suicide to my list of "things we used to know", too, red.

We used to know that threatening suicide was an abusive tactic, and we used to know how to report on suicide and suicidal ideation sensitively so it didn't cause contagion, and we don't know that any more either.

"I find the suicide rate for the trans community terrifying."

I'm not sure if we know what the suicide rate for the trans community is.

Nor have we established that enabling behaviour is helpful.

This seems a reasonable conclusion:

"ThinkProgress blames the high suicide rate on “rejection, discrimination, violence, harassment, and the negative life circumstances that result from such treatment.”

There are two problems with this theory. The first is that it utterly ignores the most salient feature of transgender individuals: that they are mentally ill and need serious treatment. This is not a moral or ethical judgment. It is, rather, a fact. Individuals who believe they are a different sex than that of their biology are psychologically ill—self-evidently so—and one would quite reasonably expect a higher suicide rate from a portion of the population that suffers from so significant a mental illness (particularly a mental illness it is fashionable to indulge rather than treat).

The second problem is that the discrimination theory of suicide does not hold up when compared to other minority groups who suffer disproportionate real and perceived amounts of bigotry and negative discrimination. The Centers for Disease Control’s numbers on suicide indicate that the highest rates of suicide over the past 15 years or so belong to…white people. In contrast, in most of the years surveyed black people had the lowest suicide rate among all ethnicities. White suicide actually rose in the period 2000-2014.

If discrimination were truly a motivating factor for suicide, you would expect the black suicide rate to be a good deal higher than it is, if not higher outright than the white rate: blacks report overwhelmingly higher rates of perceived racial discrimination than whites, and it is reasonable to assume that actual instances of discrimination against blacks are a good deal higher than those against whites. Yet the suicide rate of the former remains stubbornly lower than that of the latter.

Why? Because discrimination is almost certainly a nondeterminate factor in general suicide rates. Mental illness, on the other hand, is very clearly a motivating factor in a great many suicides: the rate of successful suicide is extremely correlative with conditions of mental illness. Since transgenderism is a deleterious psychological affliction, it is wholly unsurprising to find higher rates of suicide among that class of people.

A sane society would be advocating for robust, ameliorative psychological therapy to steer transgender people away from their delusions. Instead, we indulge this sickness on an industrial scale, building television shows around the phenomenon and promoting it even unto the point of gross caricature."

What exactly does a transwoman of any age know about being a woman?
Raised to be a woman?
Experiencing and understanding female only issues?
Experiencing disadvantage because they are female?

A transwoman knows fuck all about being a woman so should not be in a job that is aimed at understanding and caring about women and the issues they face.

millicent

That screenshot from Twitter - how on earth can someone be “openly transgender from the age of 3”?

Fucking ridiculous.

@pisacake y y y to all of what you say about the suicide rates and mental illness.

Thank fuck for people who do research like that Pisa. It helps my sanity.

There appear to be three Twitter accounts;
twitter.com/LiamLxiam started Jan 2013 - Apr 2013
twitter.com/iamLilyTM started Dec 2014 - Nov 2015 then just one tweet in June this year
twitter.com/madigan_lily started Sep 2017 to date

It is my perception that the profile pictures show the same person and they have used different accounts at different points in their life.

So he said he didn't know and then immediately blocked you? Nice

aaagh I went away and lots of posts

Yes Adrie is the secretary of the small sub branch - Battle. He isnt the secretary of the overall CLP umbrella branch, Bexhill and Battle. He is currently still in post.

Adrie sent the tweets to Lily and got her to Report Anne.

Adrie is very involved in local Momentum and uses tons of social media. I cannot really talk about him on here, but he is not as vulnerable as may appear. There is much to the story.

If you want to know about the suicide risk, look at the NHS's own guide GIDS which says not one suicide.

The statistics used by mermaids etc have been taken into popular myth, but myth is exactly what they are
fairplayforwomen.com/mermaids-tg-lying-unprofessional

Yes Lily is the one who did the school toilet thing

Why is it assumed that people who commit suicide are innocent victims? I know of several cases where child sex abuse perpetrators committed suicide simply because they were accused. And to damn their victims. Suicide is often the way out for criminals and cowards

Indeed - family annihilators kill themselves.

By announcing that trans people are an unmitigated suicide risk we are telling them and their families that they are likely to commit suicide. People are very suggestible. If you are told that 50% of people like you will be suicidal, you’re more likely on a dark day to assume this is your signal to join them. Parents who think their child is suicidal may treat them differently and make different decisions based on that information.

There has been a huge effect on my family and my own personal mental health because of this threat.

Seeing that the data has been manipulated in this way, is horrendous.

Not least because I can not discuss this with my parents and certainly not with my sibling who was the one who gave us this information in the first place, supposedly from a reputable source, and in leaflets that were shoved my mum's way.

Bahhumbugge
Thread is fascinating - but I liked your WLP idea upthread. Maybe start a new thread with your manifesto!

There's another one @iseenodust: twitter.com/madigan_liam
which was started in August 2017 Interesting, given that Lily has been 'living as a woman' for over a year (definitely him - it's linked to on the iamlily a/c).

Yes, I read it! The lawyer gave his work to Lily free of charge. I forget the name but a London firm, with a two-word name.

Most TRAs act completely against the Samaritans' guidelines on media reporting of suicide (looking at you, Paris Lees...) which makes clear that imitation suicide attempts and social contagion are a very real thing that can be avoided with sensitive and careful writing.

I wonder who paid for Lily's solicitor. Given that they don't come cheap, and her family wasn't supportive, so it wan't them

Olennas I read that article earlier, and the comments about the sister struggling to cope were the thing that jumped out at me for obvious reasons.

I would not be surprised if there was a real issue about the mental health of siblings.

Millicent interesting. Just makes me think shaping up to be a standard slippery politician the like of which we have often seen.