We need to talk about the GRA - Glasgow

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I may actually try and go to this if I am feeling brave.

I think she said she was attacked by two men (not transmen) and then she tried to kill her selfhood in public and got arrested, and went to a women's refuge.

Then she said the women staff on the refuge wouldn't ever allow anyone to attack any women in the refuge because they were so professional and good at their job that they would be able to stop any male violence.

They must have the midas touch.

(not worth engaging with, IMO. Spectacularly misses the point on everything and only sees things from her own point of view)

Oh OK.

Is J doing community service at a vulnerable women's project?

The point about women’s refuges is they are often not staffed at night so the women are all alone with each other. Which usually works fine.

I don’t think he is any more. Doing community service.

I was sure that I recognised Johanna. No idea where from though. At first I thought it was because I'd seen him on either TRA or Rad Fem/Gender Crit videos. Anyone else seen him before?

I was there, made myself known to one person who sat beside me (iismum?) who was lovely. Sorry for the lack of reply to the PM plectrumelectrum but it was appreciated

To quote from that screed of Js
'Incidentally I've a new way to make TERFs twitch. Offer them a hug. Now in fairness the panel member I'm hoping to talk to hugged spontaneously - but like I said she isn't a TERF from my perspective, just a rad feminist in the same room. I got a hug from another woman who was pretty supportive as she passed me away from the hall. And I got to watch one of the panel TERFs twitch and try to think of a polite way to express her disgust at hugging the smiling enemy in front of her.'

Hmm, male stature/physique, male body language, male socialised, enjoying female discomfort when he ignores their boundaries and bodily autonomy and attempts to use social coercion to shame them into accepting his unwanted personal contact

plus ca change.....

Every time I reach peak trans I look up and see another peak

So J used to do community service at a vulnerable women's project?

Fuck this shit.

Didactylos yes! Why the hell wouldn't women 'twitch' when presented with unsolicited hugs from male strangers?

I'm tempted to dissect J's statement para by para because there is so very much wrong wth it. I'm holding back because I get the impression that J is quite vulnerable and I doubt J's statement has gone down well with the 'siblings'.

Feeling pretty depressed reading this thread. I’m too far north to have gone to the meeting but it all feels a bit pointless. SNP block vote plus Greens = it will go through.
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Is there any chance of stopping this? My MSP hasn’t really responded much to me, even after I met her and she said she would get back in touch re likely timeline of the GRA process.
I totally agree that snp will be in a rush to get this through now that Westminster have put it back again. Nicola likes to get in there first

No, being honest I think it’s a done deal. All we can do is organise do that there is a consistent clear voice of reason speaking up for women’s spaces.

I've been reading Fair Play for Women:

Scotland does not have devolved power to enact its own independent legislation regarding legal gender recognition. Nor was this power included in the recently enacted Scotland Act 2016 giving extra powers to Scotland following the Scottish independence referendum in 2015. In fact the word gender does not appear once in the whole text of the Act. However, Scotland does have limited powers to amend some aspects of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 in areas relevant to Scotland.

I don't think this is a done deal at all. I think it's very significant that this has been kicked into the long grass by the UK govt. Everybody who cares about this should respond to the Scottish consultation, but should also realise that the GRA is one battle in what may be a long war. GRA makes very little difference except to the most vulnerable women (prisons) because all the 'guidance' is written as if self-ID is already a done deal.

Nobody dares use the exceptions in the equality act. Nobody. Something is wrong here.

I take it they have power to remove the living as chosen gender for two years aspect?

I agree Pencils. We need to put pressure on public sector organisations and call them to account for the risk assessments etc they should do. Keep mentioning safeguarding, let them know that they will be under scrutiny. Peak trans everyone you can. This is about public perception.

We need to put pressure on public sector organisations and call them to account for the risk assessments etc they should do

Yy. So all the council's who have now adopted these new guidelines - ask them what their risk assessments are, what protection have they out in place. Ditto girl guides etc.

I hate to say it, but this change in legislation is going to go through and then an awful lot of women are going to have to suffer from very horrible assaults before anyone will even dare to look at the consequences of the new GRA on women. Unfortunately, the first few women who are attacked etc will be ignored by police, government and media for fear of reporting transphobic stories, and not wanting to admit have made a massive misstep

I hate to say it, but I don't think that they will care very much if women start to get attacked. It will be just more water in that particular bucket.

Possibly one way to address this is to combine large meetings (to draw people in and spread the word) with smaller working parties that address more activist-oriented issues. Perhaps these could be more regional rather than based in cities? It just strikes me that on our side there is a lot of talk and little activism, whereas on theirs, riding on the backs of stonewall, antifa, etc. they are very skilled and organised activists.

Seeing, I've PM'd you

Where have you all gone? Does anyone know offhand the date that the consultation closes?

1st March.

I've been away from this for a few days - family crisis which is now resolved.

Are we still hoping to meet up sometime soon? If so, I'll start sending messages to those on the list Plectrum sent me, and any others who were at the meeting/posting here and want to come along.

Send me a message if you want to be involved, and ideas for where we could meet and maybe an idea of when would a good day/time.

Hi - I booked to go to the Glasgow meeting but been sick with flu. With the consultation deadline so soon I would really like to get together with any folk - especially in Edinburgh - for discussion. I am new to Mumsnet, or rather I was on here in another lifetime, so you won't know me. But happy to vouch for who I am in any way possible. I follow a lot online and through twitter but don't have the discussions IRL.

I've just sent out 24 identical messages - based on the list Plectrum had before the meeting, and adding a few to it.

Those who posted early on this thread, and haven't posted latterly will probably wonder what I'm talking about!

Cant go on the date suggested sadly but if another date arranged would love to go.