Trans guidelines for schools in Scotland

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New guidelines:

www.lgbtyouth.org.uk/files/documents/Supporting_Transgender_Young_People_-_Digital_version.pdf

Sorry I’m not sure how to do a clicky link.

I haven’t read through it properly yet but will do now. Just posting as I’m sure others will be interested.

norah I bloody LOVE Stephanie Davies-Arai. I've downloaded her school guidelines and it is so fairly written to safeguard ALL children. She is really incredible.

I’ve been told by the PSHE consultant in our LA that it is not permitted to share anything from Transgendertrend with staff in other schools in our LA.

Just keep have a look at s149 of the Equality Act 2010, select a few of the more glaring recommendations which impact on females particularly

The problem is that gender and sex are being used interchangeably in legislation. Sex equality won't be impacted because people will be the sex they say they are

Wow SuburbanRhonda.
Not sure what amazes me most - that an LA has a PSHE consultant (so many of them have been got rid of due to all the cuts) or the censorship.
TBH, as soon as schools get a whiff of censorship from an LA it makes them go to find out what it is that's being censored - tell them!

This is not a particularly serious point... but...

"Encouraging gender neutral language when calling dances. For example, rather than say 'Gentlemen, spin your ladies for a count of eight' say, 'Those on the outside, spin your partners for a count of 8'

So it was fine for me to have to be addressed as a gentleman even though my sex and gender are female, because I was tall... but not if they're biologically male?

I would check that out. Stonewall is now all about the T.

Which is almost unbelievable, given the trans ideology erases homosexuality.

Funny you should mention that, I just got DS a new phone still waiting for it to unlock, so he left it at home, anyway it popped up with a DM from 'transgirl abc'. I asked him about it, said boy was previously known as and of Pakistani heritage and left DS' (boys') school to become a girl.

As I understand it there are out gay boys at the school (which is very high in the league tables), so that wouldn't have been a problem. I did note to DS that the entire Iranian women's football team is transwomen, so it's a popular solution for 'curing' homosexuality in Islam.

The research this is based on really isn't very robust. Yet all political parties accept it. So, in Scotland we have trans ideology in NHS, schools and prisons. Lots of women's organisations are supporting the gender recognition act the SNP govt are proposing. It's woke central here. Hate it. But will try to find a way to organise with others to make sure our concerns are heard (if ultimately ignored, which I think they will be). No political home for me here.

@runningwild you do know you have to have something going on with you that qualifies you as a victim to use the word 'woke' right? It's not allowed otherwise - for victim's only. Yawn.

"Encouraging gender neutral language when calling dances. For example, rather than say 'Gentlemen, spin your ladies for a count of eight' say, 'Those on the outside, spin your partners for a count of 8'

How would you instruct a Strip the Willow using these guidelines? You don't have "partners on the outside" at the point where the top lady progresses down the set and then the top gentleman progresses up the set. An Eightsome reel might come unstuck too.

SuburbanRhonda I’ve been told by the PSHE consultant in our LA that it is not permitted to share anything from Transgendertrend with staff in other schools in our LA.

Have you got this in writing or was it verbal? If the latter, I strongly suggest you ask this person to confirm that in writing. We need to hold people to account for stuff like this, and one day a paper trail could be very important. A bit like with the Trojan horse scandal in Birmingham schools.

I know we don't actually need a paper trail in the sense that so many people (entire governments!) are already on record, but specific instances of silencing like this need to be noted. This is child abuse we're talking about, and a conspiracy of silence around it.

Not caught up on the whole thread yet, but I really want separate changing rooms for cat people. I need to be with likeminded folk and dog people freak me out.

If a young person comes out to you, it is important not to deny their identity, or overly question their understanding of their gender identity.

But I’m with you on the dog people...

"How would you instruct a Strip the Willow using these guidelines?"

No clue, i don't actually remember how to do any dances... possibly because I always had to be a man? Rofl

Have you got this in writing or was it verbal

She sent me an email after I sent her a link to the resources for schools on the transgendertrend website, telling me I couldn’t share them in a professional capacity.

A colleague from another school had asked me to send her the links after a training session run by the consultant.

I’m thinking I will have to tell the colleague that I’m not allowed to send her the links to the resources for schools on the , which is a shame as she will have to look them up for herself

Christ it’s depressing . I have three girls and apparently I’m not entitled to know if someone of the male sex is sharing a room/bathroom/shower with them in a school trip.
And they have to STFU and accept a male sharing intimate space with them and at a time when many teenage girls are going through their own identity crap dealing with being a girl.

But that’s the biggest lesson of all - move to the back of the queue girls when it comes to your needs. Remember your place.

Have already run a residential school trip with a trans pupil who shared bathrooms with others of the new gender. This was in accommodation with separate toilets and showers within a male and a female bathroom so only sinks were communal, and these were in bedrooms too. All rooms were single.

However, we did all the research and contacted the (Scottish) council and, yes, the pupil could use the bathroom of their choice and sleep in rooms amongst other boys. The trip was to England so not sure how that would have worked. All pupils aged 15-18.

I only went along with it because of the single rooms and because the pupil is FTM so not a physical threat but I did feel that boys might have objected (they didn’t) or parents. Imagine if there had been a “gay” relationship as a result (said pupil is now a gay male) that had ended with pregnancy!

I know most concerns are with MTF because of issues of violence / rape but this was a risk too.

And, no, we were not required to put it in our risk assessment because “he” was no more a risk than any other boys (nor at greater risk in spite of the oft repeated suicide risk that led to the changes).

By the way this has been the policy with the girl guides for some time. Share with the girls/ no need for parents to know. And well of course being allowed to join in the first place.

Rhonda good plan!

Bloody hell MrsKnightley that's mind-bendingly illogical. And heartbreaking that children are already legally, knowingly, provably being put at risk in this way.

Did you inform the boys' parents? Or did they already know because they knew the child in question was trans? How did your colleagues feel about it?

Just musing- have the referrals for anorexia gone down as the referrals for girls to gender identity clinics gone up?

How is this going to impact girls' schools? Will they have to take MTF pupils?

I've been wondering about single sex schools too.

Single sex schools are interesting.

There have been a few children who have transed but stayed at the school.

I don't know if there have been trans kids applying to join single sex schools yet. I'd be interested to hear what eton would say.

Thing is that transboys in a boys school, would be at risk, I'd think. Also trans girls. I suspect that as with toilets,prisons etc schools will end up being "men" and "non men" (including transmen).

ie everyone knows what a man is, and anyone who doesn't fit that gets to to in with the women as a sort of catch-all sub option.