Giles Coren on Weinstein and what a terrible shame it is that women have to power to ruin a sex pest's career

[HeyRoly]

Twitter thread and screenshots for those not on Twitter.

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I have to say I'm biased and I've always loathed Coren, but holy fucking shit...

I've never read Esquire, are his articles typical of its usual content?

I've read some of his wife's articles, she is also a journalist/writer but most seem to mention the fact that she's married to Giles Coren...

Whenever I meet an sex offender apologist who say shite like “just touching”, I always say “Oh so you wouldn’t mind it if a gay man came along and just touched your cock then?”. Unsurprisingly 99% of the time they’re homophobes too and this soon shuts them up

Exactly Cherry. They will never be able to empathise with a woman because we're just a collection of holes to them,but they can imagine themselves in a similar situation with a predatory gay man alright. I think you're spot on about the homophobia too

Poor Giles. Finding out that at a certain age you suddenly become sexually invisible.

Boo fucking hoo.

Lotta, yes, we are just a collection of holes to these guys and as long as they are employed to write this, they're causing damage.

I've just looked at his wiki page.

I don't know what's legally okay to say so I won't say it. Bet he keeps his lawyer busy though.

I’ve just had a look at his wiki page. He clearly prides himself, enormously, on being a prick.

Personally, I think the publishing days of this misogynistic dinosaur are numbered.

Alan Coren - brilliant humourist, as far as I know was a thoroughly nice chap

Victoria Coren Mitchell - brilliant presenter, as far as I know is a thoroughly nice woman

WTF went wrong with Giles??

So to start here, Mr Coren is questioning his own behaviour which is good. He has then agonised in that way people do, when crimes come into focus, with the logic that goes "if there were no guilty people then innocent people could not be mistaken for guilty".

This is true as a concept but wrong as a concern. For all crimes there are perpetrators and in each case we need to put the appropriate effort into identifying them to protect the victims. Society has no other choice if it is to be civilised. The same effort though should also protect the innocent with at least equal care.

If employee A puts two "x"s at the bottom of an email to employee B and employee B complains, then employee B should be told "this is not an issue". At the same time employee A should be advised to stop adding the "x"s to their emails to employee B, simply on the basis that any colleague should stop any optional behaviour which another colleague finds disturbing.

Mr Coren's concern is naive, self-indulgent and stupidly disrespectful of the alleged victims in this case.

That wanking article is so grim

Men moaning that they don’t feel they can have a harmless little flirt with the office girls anymore, and THAT being the biggest problem here, are sexual predators disguised as ‘nice guys’. Fuck them

Dear God. That article. Nothing wrong with wanking, a perfectly healthy and acceptable pastime.

However.

After all, how different from a synthetic foot could a cunt really be?

In those days, my father used to write occasionally for Penthouse and Mayfair and so, in among the stacks of old Punch magazines and Tatlers in his study, there were always naked tits and bums and vadges to be mined, extracted and bespaffed

thanks to single-sex education and a big lonely house in the suburbs, I had literally never met a girl, so had nothing to base my dreams upon.

And when I fell in love, which I often did, the objects of my amour never featured in my mental wankorama, because I didn't want them sullied

.And then when the internet arrived, oh boy. Now it was all dogs and horses and incest,

Ooh, Trollope, that's a word for a slapper, I think I'll have a wank"

But even when breakfast is running late and I'm still in my pyjamas and unshowered at 8:20am and shouting to my wife to get the kid dressed while I belt upstairs to have a shower, I find myself thinking, as soon as I am alone on the top floor of the house: "I've got 10 minutes. Plenty of time for a wank".

Beating madly away with the door locked while you look at a girl who looks a bit like your wife being tied to a ceiling and flayed with a horse crop until she urinates, is all very well if you're going to be shagging your wife later.

And then, of course, she wouldn't be up for it. And I would be furious

There is more to life than masturbating, I guess, is the thing that I have finally grasped after more than 30 years.

I’m no therapist. But early exposure to porn and unregulated Internet use seems to have warped this man’s mind. He is talking to adults and about adults, for ffs.

Sex to him is hopelessly addictive and vital, but at the same time ‘sullies’ women.

He is stuck in a teenage boy’s version of what sex means and every time he drops his trousers, his respect for women seems to drop with them.

If some men’s entitlement to sex means they view women as nothing more than a collection of holes, maybe they are beyond help. In which case, they need to be called out every single bloody time if their misogynistic views have even the slightest effect on a single woman.

And, at the very least, they should shut up and stop talking.

Thank God his libido has dried up because he’s getting older.

I saw his wife lit a candle during the week for Miscarriage Awareness Day like a lot of others on Instagram but she didn't mention the details. On a dentists chair? As if it isn't horrific enough!

I 100% believe that his purpose is to be a provocateur like Katie Hopkins. And I believe he's open about it. His wife linked to the Esquire piece on her Instagram and said something like "Fans of Giles will not be disappointed - everyone else will be outraged". So that's the point, obviously.

So that's the point, obviously.

Which makes it worse. He is mining the inner workings of his skewed attitudes and putting them out there for everyone to read. For money.

The point being, this is not harmless, shocking fun. It’s dangerous misogyny wrapped up as close-to-the-knuckle banter.

Men read it and think, crikey if Giles Coren, a successful man with a successful wife can think, act and talk like a perv, then it’s fine.

He also has TWO shows on the BBC. Now it has to be said he's not particularly objectionable on TV. He's not hired by them to be a provocateur so he keeps it clean. He's also pretty normal on his Instagram Stories. Nothing provocative or offensive other than a bit of sarky grumpiness about other annoying guests in the hotel (he's filming that hotels thing with Monica Galetti at the moment)

So I can't figure out if this outrageous persona for his articles is one he ramps up to the max to get printed in a hugely competitive print market or what's the story.

There's a long literary tradition of boring middle aged men writing about their nastiest behaviour and darkest perversions in a sort of faux self hating way. It's a very hackneyed type of writing.
Thing is, it rarely IS self hating. It's a way of going "look-I do this. I think this. But it's out in the open now, and the world keeps turning and hey I'm really not so bad. I'm just like every other guy."
I know a few men like this. One of them is actually blisteringly funny. I could see him writing an article about his porn habit that would have you crying tears of laughter, but most of them just want to "shock" by brain dumping the cesspit of their mind onto others and by doing so tacitly seeking approval. For other men to say "me too" (which I'm sure they do).
It's the ultimate in arrogance. And it's over, surely?? It's 2017 ffs.

Jesus, what kind of world do we live in when a man is able to earn a living writing that creepy as fuck, self indulgent shite?

One largely run by men?

I don't know what he's like to work with but to wait on he was consistently a rude, arrogant fucker who thought he was the dogs bollocks.

He was a regular at a restaurant I work in about 8-10 years ago. Never anything more lecherous than most of the male clientele (which isn't saying much) but just a stuck up twat who thought he was it.

Not surprise to read this article at all.

I've just remembered this, the thing that really proved to me what an insufferable prick he was. It's a letter/email he sent to The Times but was leaked to The Guardian. He has an epic fit at the sub editors, paragraph after paragraph of seething rage, for removing an "a" and ruining his blowjob joke.

www.theguardian.com/media/2008/jul/23/mediamonkey

It was 2008 and I've never forgotten it.

ifnot yep

This is the blog post I'd remembered, where she talks about their epic rows where he calls her boring and fat:

reciperifle.blogspot.ie/2012/12/onion-and-gruyere-tartquiche.html?m=1

The big problem with the piece is, quite simply, he makes it all about him. Not about the women who have been raped, abused or molested, or who live their lives in fear of those things, but about how it all affects him. Because that’s the thing that matters here, right?

heyroly nice bit of racist nastiness in that piece comparing the sub's work to "a pissed Irish plasterer restoring a renaissance fresco", fuck's sake.

Coco, I wonder if that’s the restaurant we saw him in years ago? He was an absolute prat and left a shocking mess that he expected the staff to clean up. We were appalled.