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I've scrolled back a few pages and I can't even find the last pub thread.

So I've taken the beer towels off the pumps, tapped a new barrel, polished the glasses, fed the goat and applied brasso to the patriarchy busting canon.

Come and join me - all tastes catered for - beer, gin, wine, cocktails, coffee and a nice cup of tea.

Dorothy, sorry. I have a weird mental block over spelling that name right.

Are they on Kindle? (Not that I've got a Kindle but I'm considering. No more space in the house. )

That's where I have them, they were discounted a while ago, I'm not sure if they still are. I love my kindle, I couldn't do without it now. I've kept actual paper books I love but had a clearout of the so so ones.

The Lymond chronicles are the best books ever. And yes, on Kindle. In fact until the new editions were (just) published, they were only on ebook for a few years, which is a fucking travesty.
goodread reviews of the first in series

You are right Rufus about some people. I may have to hide some threads...

I want the Rivers of London books. I've read them but I want them, and there's no space, so I might have to get a Kindle.

Those are good books never

I have left that thread now

Someone i am actually agreeing with has a snarky pop

I might not have explained myself to their satisfaction but ive spent quite a while now arguing the point with posters and its hard when people on 'your side of the argument' are also having a pop at you

Never mind, im obviously being a bit sensitive

Night all

Evening. I'm in for some restoring booze after arguing with people on Facebook about whether #MeToo demonises decent men, makes them afraid to engage in innocent flirtation, and conflates 'low level' incidents with 'proper' victimhood. Tell me to step away from the keyboard please?

kicks off shoes and flops down on a bean bag

This has been what's filling up my time this evening honestly some people.

What kind of creep creates a fitness class so women can 'look better naked'.

metro.co.uk/2017/10/18/gyms-response-to-people-kicking-off-about-a-skinnypigs-advert-is-bizarre-7008633/

Step away frim the keyboard Elisaveta!

Goodnight Rufus, you are a fantastic and lovely poster so don't feel disheartened!

Thank you nolove

I have a feeling they thought i was agreeing with 'the other side of the argument'

Still handbag is on fucking point tonight!!!

Have a good evening nolove

hidden until you go to bed Rufus

Thanks badbadhusky - some other people, all women, have joined in and are making better arguments than me so I think I will step away. Depressed that we are still having the same fucking NAMALT, rape culture, victim blame discussions as ever. But it's great that the pub is back, I've missed this place.

Evening. I'm in for some restoring booze after arguing with people on Facebook about whether #MeToo demonises decent men, makes them afraid to engage in innocent flirtation, and conflates 'low level' incidents with 'proper' victimhood. Tell me to step away from the keyboard please?

You have definitely earned some! I'm glad you challenged them but it's exhausting. The decent men should be supporting the campaign and challenging the many men who've made it necessary. Yet again, though, it's women speaking out who are made to defend themselves and accused of hurting some men's feelings when trying to speak of experiences. Exasperating.

Snap, Elisaveta. I was getting so fucked off about similar discussions. and thankfully some other women came along so I could relax and let them take over.

Ideally men would come along I think. It's so exhausting for women and girls to continually have to defend ourselves against this nonsense when we're trying to talk about experiences we've had because of (some) men and boys anyway. The decent ones could show how decent they are by challenging the men who derail and attack us when we're trying to talk about these issues.

nolove

Possibly some more reassuring/hopeful responses from men highlighted in this article

www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-41663380

Responding to #metoo with #IDidThat and #HowIWillChange

Some male allies have joined in the discussions I've been part of, nolove. I can tell when they're men I know well, how carefully they are choosing their words. They're cautious about looking like they're trying to make it about them, or mansplaining, or inadvertently causing offence.
(I'm not saying in any way that it's harder to men to speak up than women, though. It's hard for everyone and indeed I haven't posted #metoo. I just can't cope with the emotional blowback for certain members of my family who are easily triggered, right now.)

I’ve escaped here to sit with a pint and look grumpy for a bit
I’m so worn out by this GRA stuff and it only gets worse and lack of understanding of women’s issues and on and on it goes
OMG
Actually I’ll just sit here, possibly move on to sambucca after my beer and fall asleep in the corner

Thanks for posting that Felix!

I'm glad to hear that Somerville and think it's good they're being cautious in that respect, which shows they think about these things and don't want to appropriate the rage from women and girls. I think there are times they need to speak up, particularly in challenging other men and boys on it, as I think a lot of women and girls find it exhausting continually having to do so - I know I do. Sorry to read you haven't felt able to post your own and hope you're feeling alright.

I would also add I know boys who are speaking up in support, such as my friend's boyfriend I posted of earlier in the thread and one of my brothers has also been making his feelings clear on Facebook (in support of girls he knows).

I need a drink.. I'm so fed up with the amount of minimizing, anti-feminist stuff that's around at the moment as a result of the Weinstein revelations and the #MeToo thing.

I went back on the thread nolove

Hey assassinated its tiring isnt it

Its the same arguments

Sometimes it's hard to prize yourself away from them but think it's best to Rufus especially when you want to get to bed!