'I'm not gay, I'm a girl, says 8-year-old'

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Tegan Dyson is 8 and was the subject of homophobic bullying at primary school after wanting to play with the girls.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/it-made-sick-wear-boys-11329175

'Before it made me feel sick to put a boy's uniform on and at school they called me 'gay' and a Barbie girl.

"I told them I wasn't gay – I was a girl. But they just said 'being a girl is gay!'”

As Tegan grew up, it quickly became clear the youngster wasn't interested in playing with typical "boys' toys". Instead, she loved dresses and dolls.

"When she was starting to make her own decisions, she refused to play with boys' toys. She has never played with cars or anything like that," explained her mum.

"She would get them for Christmas and throw them across the room."

"She'd say to me: "Throw it". She never played with them. She wanted a kitchen. Then she wanted a doll and a pram. They were the things that she wanted."

Fascinated with makeup, Tegan would watch Michelle getting ready to go out. She also adored her own Barbie collection and loved mermaids.

And she would often put a tea towel on her head to pretend she had long hair.

One day, she said she heard the youngster talking into a plastic phone, saying she wanted to marry One Direction. "I thought she might be gay," she said.

But then, early last year, she received a phone call from school to say that Tegan had lost her temper because someone had called her gay.

"She broke down and said, 'I'm not gay, I want to be a girl,' she recalled of the incident. "In her eyes, she thought she was a girl. She always saw herself as a girl."

"She didn't have friends as a boy. She wanted to play with the girls, but the boys couldn't understand a boy that wanted to play girl games.

"She didn't want to play rough and tumble."

"She's very girly. It's all dresses," said Michelle.

"In a way, she's kind of a little bit behind the girls at school.... she wants everything sparkly, glam... they're going a bit tomboy now.

"She wears a full schoolgirl's uniform to school."

Today, Tegan dreams of becoming a film star. When she's older, she also hopes to marry a boy and have children.

Sexuality is also made out to be a choice, something you can 'get over' if you put enough effort into it. Complete contradiction to what most people believe/know.

Not only can you 'get over it', you SHOULD get over it, so as not to be a bigot!

Ds1 now 18

Said last year that he was really pleased he wasnt a young child now...

He had a kitchen, buggy , t sets etc. He played with the girls at school, he was sensitive and thoughtful and well behaved. Worked hard at school, got kn with the teachers...a total joy

But he was called gay and a girl

If he was 8 now, no doubt he would think that maybe he was a girl

I am of an age where my contemporaries who are gay did not come out until university.

My son is of an age that his contemporaries who are gay came out at school. I know it was a big thing at parties for his group for the girls to put make up on the boys for a laugh (I have photos of him made up) and none of them thought anything of it.

lass

My friend was in his 20's , he struggled at school because being gay meant death (AIDS) and definitely that you weren't 'normal'

Its much more open now

Ds2 at 12 was made up by his brother and sister...he looked beautiful

I've asked Stonewall numerous times on Twitter, if they could please affirm that they support homosexuals and that Stonewall's stance is that same-sex sexual orientation is ok, and not "transphobic". Silence.

Dave grohl seems to enjoy wearing dresses. No doubt he'll soon be expected to admit he's really a woman and will change his name to davina

Tegan's mother has inadvertently set all this up with her wholesale acceptance of gender stereotypes. The mother talks exclusively about certain clothes, toys, make-up, sparkly stuff.

This.

Tegan likes performing femininity. He likes extreme end feminine toys and appearance - and it's rather interesting he feels the need to go for the most extreme pink, sparkly, traditionally girly stuff where most girls have a lot of gender neutral interests, toys and clothes.

He likes femininity, he enjoys it, he is choosing at the moment to act out the extreme of it - great! Why not? Performing femininity however does not and will not change his biological sex. He is a boy who likes very feminine things. Many girls in Tegan's class won't be that feminine and will have many gender neutral interests, does that make them gender fluid? (In the batshit world of this narrative, yes it does.)

If it was socially normal for boys to the point of no one looking twice, I wonder if he'd feel the need to be so extreme in his proving his interests. But what I hate most about this whole insidious agenda is that for people to define 'outside the box' it requires the forcible stuffing of everyone else in gender stereotype boxes.

I will not wear bloody skirts. I hate high heels. I rarely wear makeup. I can do my own gardening and decorating and I'm not bad with cars. I like action movies and hate chick flicks. I am a woman. No one is going to tell me that I'm doing 'woman' wrong.

The answer to this is millions of women standing up and saying loudly in chorus, FUCK OFF WITH THIS BULLSHIT.

Yes there are some things that only women share. A love of pink and glitter is not one of them.

Poor Tegan

Plenty of gay men will tell you that they desperately wanted "girls" toys when they were children. It doesn't mean they're transgender.

What on earth has happened? Why are gender rules so black and white these days? I look at my six year old daughter, who has never been girly, never liked girly toys, never liked girly clothes, has always sought out the company of boys... it sickens me to think that one day she might be brainwashed into thinking she's a boy in the wrong body. I sincerely hope that the tide changes over the next ten years.

It’s the simplicity of it, as a parent I would not define my child’s future based on a trip to toys r us. A cheap toy piano is no indication of a future musician so why would I base my child’s sex on a toy.

It's so fucked up.

Mainstream society knows how to relate to boys and gils. Has no clue how to deal with effiminate boys or butch girls, much easier for everyone if they switch gender. Then they can play with the toys they want without any of the adults having to think too hard about what gender is and how to support effeminate boys or butch girls.

The fierce keeping of boys to a gender norm largely comes from men ime, I've worked in nurseries for years and mums are invariably fine with their sons playing with dolls and putting on princess dresses, it's always dad who gets upset and takes the dolls away or says we'll 'turn him queer'. With messages like that around it's no surprise we have hordes of girls rejecting being female and wanting to be the safe, prized sex.

From the article:

"She broke down and said, 'I'm not gay, I want to be a girl,' she recalled of the incident. "In her eyes, she thought she was a girl. She always saw herself as a girl."

Michelle took her daughter, then aged seven, to the doctor's, where she was referred to the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust's gender identity clinic.*

"It sort of snowballed from there," said the mum.

Why are people letting a child so young make these huge decisions? s/he has no idea if they're gay, that's something some adults struggle to come to terms with, especially if living in a homophobic environment (which s/he was if other children were bullying abotu being gay).

Why can't he be a boy who wears a dress and likes pink? Instead of being on a path to surgery and sterility. We know that most kids who identify as the opposite gender grow out of it. Why are these kids being set up for so much pain, down the line?

As the mother of girls, I really hope this crazy train slows down before they're teenagers.
I don't want to have to worry about them going into a changing room alone and being confronted with a penis. I don't want them growing up thinking being a lesbian means they're actually male.
I want them to grow up accepting everyone for who they are. Am I transphobic if to me, that acceptance means that boys can be effeminate and girls can be butch?
The line that stood out to me from that article is where the mother said they were referred to the Tavistock clinic and "it snowballed". I then have to question whether the child was properly assessed and counselled, or whether it was simply "do you want to be a girl? Yes... ok, here's how to do it". That's how we lead to a large amount of post-transition regret.

This is local to me
Friends who know this mother aren't surprised- it says more about her than the child.
I hate dolls with a passion and rarely wear skirts, clearly I am a man. Hope DH doesn't mind - but then hes not into cars so maybe he's a woman so it all works out ok?
Why the hell are people still defining gender by which toys a child prefers??? It's bloody nuts

Probably because by not doing so it would open up just what a huge mistake the whole thing is.

And no one would want to have to admit they agreed to chop off body parts based on perfectly normal behaviour.

Imagine the fall out..

An article here saying it is false to say that puberty blockers are reversible:

www.onenewsnow.com/science-tech/2017/10/15/doctors-transgender-puberty-blockers-are-dangerous#.WeS00dW5FpF.twitter

I used to be vaguely concerned by my very gender conforming children (typical liberal lefty guilt about whether I should have been doing more to break down gender stereotypes etc etc). At least I won't have to deal with my DC telling me that they were born in the wrong body, despite all the other challenges that they throw at me.

Why is is not deemed to be abuse, like Munchausen's by proxy, for parents to decide that non-gender conforming children are in fact trans?

YES! It should be

I've tweeted Ruth Hunt, the head of Stonewall, directly asking her to PLEASE just confirm that they still give a shit about lesbians.

She hasn't replied and she won't. Because she can't give a shit about lesbians and also prioritise transpeople.