'I'm not gay, I'm a girl, says 8-year-old'

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Tegan Dyson is 8 and was the subject of homophobic bullying at primary school after wanting to play with the girls.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/it-made-sick-wear-boys-11329175

'Before it made me feel sick to put a boy's uniform on and at school they called me 'gay' and a Barbie girl.

"I told them I wasn't gay – I was a girl. But they just said 'being a girl is gay!'”

As Tegan grew up, it quickly became clear the youngster wasn't interested in playing with typical "boys' toys". Instead, she loved dresses and dolls.

"When she was starting to make her own decisions, she refused to play with boys' toys. She has never played with cars or anything like that," explained her mum.

"She would get them for Christmas and throw them across the room."

"She'd say to me: "Throw it". She never played with them. She wanted a kitchen. Then she wanted a doll and a pram. They were the things that she wanted."

Fascinated with makeup, Tegan would watch Michelle getting ready to go out. She also adored her own Barbie collection and loved mermaids.

And she would often put a tea towel on her head to pretend she had long hair.

One day, she said she heard the youngster talking into a plastic phone, saying she wanted to marry One Direction. "I thought she might be gay," she said.

But then, early last year, she received a phone call from school to say that Tegan had lost her temper because someone had called her gay.

"She broke down and said, 'I'm not gay, I want to be a girl,' she recalled of the incident. "In her eyes, she thought she was a girl. She always saw herself as a girl."

"She didn't have friends as a boy. She wanted to play with the girls, but the boys couldn't understand a boy that wanted to play girl games.

"She didn't want to play rough and tumble."

"She's very girly. It's all dresses," said Michelle.

"In a way, she's kind of a little bit behind the girls at school.... she wants everything sparkly, glam... they're going a bit tomboy now.

"She wears a full schoolgirl's uniform to school."

Today, Tegan dreams of becoming a film star. When she's older, she also hopes to marry a boy and have children.

I do wonder how far any of this would have got if there was another parent at home who was a bit more open-minded and educated about gender stereotypes and norms

I can't get my head round the idea that a parent would be happy to accept her son is transgender but not even consider, let alone be happy with, the idea her son is gay.

Had this been my son my reaction would have been exactly the opposite way round.

How many boys did you hear of deciding they were actually girls before it was suggested to them that such a thing was actually possible? (Not that it is). Ten years ago this shit was unheard of. Now there’s supposedly 10+ in every school in the land.
What happens when someone suggests we can actually change species just for the asking, do we stop building schools and start building more zoos? It’s a runaway train.

All about stereotypes again, and as someone else noted, more proof that 'trans' is homophobic tbh

I used to put the oven gloves on my arms behind my back to pretend it was angel wings [ :blush: ] This kind of thing is perfectly normal for kids. I also actually did the teatowel thing when I was pretending to be Ariel, as my hair was not quite long enough

I am happy to report, that I do not consider myself trans-angel or trans-mermaid as an adult.

Its sad that this kid seems sure they will want kids, when putting them on this route is near sure to sterylise them.

What a sad story.

When my first son was born he lived with me and my 4 younger sisters. Then I had a second and she was a girl. I lost count of the number of times I got told my son would be feminine, a pansy, a wuss, a girl.

I remember buying him a cleaning trolley, a tea set and twin baby dolls when he was 2 or 3. I also bought him cars and trains. I was told that I shouldn't let him play with it outside where other people might see. I have a photo of him swinging a mop in the air with a tea towel on his head!

People would ask him if he had a girlfriend yet as soon as he started school. Or would say things like, 'I bet he'll have all the girls after him.' At five!

As it turns out he is now 16 and no longer likes cleaning or wearing tea towels on his head. He doesn't like trains either.

But this weird forcing of gender and sexuality starts from birth and it is unavoidable. No wonder some kids are confused.

I have another son who is 7. When my dad visits he hugs my girls enthusiastically and then offers my son a 'man hug'. As he does it he repeats, 'man hug, man hug.'

There is definitely something about heterosexual men and boys not wanting to be 'contaminated with gay' that is underlying all of this.

Total smiley fail there, why did I think thats how it was done

I wonder how many schools are like this, where homophobic bullying is everyday and not taken seriously. It seems that 'trans' brings you an extra level of protection from bullying not afforded to normal boys.

I remember reading about a school (I think in the US or Canada) which told the parents of a non-gender conforming boy (who was confident that he was a boy) that he had to either conform to male stereotypes or socially transition to be a girl and that the school couldn't (or wouldn't) protect him from bullying if he continued to present as a boy who liked stereotypically 'girls' things.

Really.

Stonewall's Trans Advisory Committee includes Fox Fisher, who has described homosexuality as "deviant."

Over and over again lesbians have asked for Stonewall's support on social media when we're called transphobic for not being interested in transwomen with penises. Total silence.

VICE are posting "educational" videos by transwomen, the same ones who call homosexuality transphobic, about teaching lesbians to have sex with them.

Silence.

Mermaids promote gay conversion therapy. 80% of kids presenting as trans, if not put on medication, grow up to become lesbian and gay adults. But the ones put on puberty blockers will go on to hormones, sterility & a life of medication & operations. There are heartbreaking stories of gender nonconforming young people, many of them lesbians, who have mastectomies, get sterilised, go on testosterone & don't realise they've made a mistake until too late.

Do Stonewall care? Do they fuck.

There's no money in supporting LG any more. It's all about the T.

Oh and the reaction from the US National Center for Lesbian Rights, when hearing about women prisoners in Texas complaining about sexual abuse from the transwomen sharing their showers and cells?

OMG transphobia!!!!

Am I bitter? Yep.

Wtf rum?!!!!!!!!
I'm going to assume everyone else on this thread is a liar. The truth is too much.

I have donated to Stonewall in the past. Never againm

That school thing is really quite chilling. We have masculine boys or feminine girls. If you aren't one of those, we won't help you

Further proof that the transing of children is so often rooted in homophobia

Yes indeed. Very, very worrying.

Silly I know, but all these tea towels on the head prompt a qu in me that perhaps the children concerned are actually identifying as characters in a traditional nativity play??

On a more serious note, this stuff chills my blood. I have a 12yo. She is a v happy girl, probably straight (though I don't really care if she isn't), but sporty and outdoorsy with little interest in appearance. She has a jumpsuit for smart occasions etc. When she was 2-4, she used to insist she was a boy. She played with the boys at nursery, liked bricks and cars. If I had been a particular sort of parent who thought I was listening to her desires etc she would have been very screwed up right now - as it was I just let her get on with it. And now she's a well adjusted GIRL.

I do pity these poor children. Some - a tiny few - no doubt do have gender assignment issues. But most don't,I suspect.

I also donated to Stonewall and other LGBT charities in the past (and have been both a volunteer and service user at other LGBT organisations), Sadly, I've had to conclude that organisations to support LGB rights and LGB people don't really exist anymore and are now pushing an agenda that is contrary to the interests of these groups.

Ds's school had a session on tolerance and trans (fine). Ds came home saying he might wake up as a girl one day (he's never EVER expressed any doubts in the past, and this idea had been sold to him).
If thats not bad enough when I started a thread about it I was berated by one or two posters for ignoring my child expressing doubts about his gender!
Just to be clear, if he grows up gay or straight, fine. Couldn't care less as long as he's happy healthy and includes his parents in his life. If he genuinely expressed doubts ever about his gender I would support him. But to come home confused after a brainwashing... Argh

I can't help thinking that much if this is attention by proxy. Announce to the world that your 8 year old is gay - silence, announce that they are trans - full page newspaper articles.

I can't find the screenshot right now but Stonewall's definition of trans basically comes down to anyone who "doesn't conform to conventional views of the gender they were assigned at birth".

I watched the play of Jane Eyre at the National Theatre last night, & realised that under that definition she'd be trans. The Brontes & George Eliot would be trans - male aliases, not conforming to stereotypes of time. Mary Wollstonecraft. Elizabeth I. Any woman who refused to spend her life doing what women were "supposed to do".

Transpeople use cisgender as a term for people who "identify with the gender they were assigned at birth". Look what that means they think women are identifying with, for fucksake.

I dressed like a boy and liked "boys things" until I was 12. I'm so glad I grew up in the 70s/80s and not now. It was no big deal.

Would I be regretting a path that led me to sterility and testerone if I had been growing up now?

*I can't get my head round the idea that a parent would be happy to accept her son is transgender but not even consider, let alone be happy with, the idea her son is gay.

Had this been my son my reaction would have been exactly the opposite way round.*

Me too Lass. What level of homophobia must lie behind this? Or are people just so brainwashed into the gender binary straight-jacket they can't fathom that little boys can play with tea sets? Are they deluded into thinking medical science can do rather more than it actually can in terms of the physicality of sex reassignment surgery?

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans

From what I have read, Stonewall was historically anti-trans. But with the wider acceptance of homosexuality, gay marriage, etc, and fewer laws to change, they started to run out of the widespread, popular support and therefore funding.

At which point, they became vehemently pro trans and the money rolled in. Or perhaps it was the other way round...

Do you know if that is accurate?

I have twins who are 8, 1 boy and 1 girl. They have always played with each other's stuff and a lot of 'neutral' stuff eg. Hama beads, lots of sports. I don't get this weird distinction. Also dd has a very close friend who is a boy and always playing with the girls, but I don't think he gets called 'gay'. I don't care if he turns out to be gay/ transgender or whatever, but at the moment he is a boy who enjoys the imaginative games which a lot of the girls tend to play. He's not the only boy either, but he is the most consistent.

"In a way, she's kind of a little bit behind the girls at school.... she wants everything sparkly, glam... they're going a bit tomboy now."

DD was always sparkly/ pink until 7 and suddenly 'grew up' into black stuff/ cropped stuff (not allowed outside!), makeup (not allowed outside!) - nothing sparkly, though fluffy is allowed.

This is going to LEAD to so many mental health issues it is beyond messed up. I hope the world does end before the year 3K.

Oh ffs, that poor child.

This is why I hate gender stereotypes.

Do you know if that is accurate?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/16/stonewall-start-campaigning-trans-equality

Stonewall apologised to transpeople in 2015 and announced that they were going to start campaigning for trans, so that bit's definitely true.

I don't have any sources for the bit about them following the money but that is what I've always heard.

God that poor child. Why wasn't the bullying addressed?

Why is transing a child the answer to avoiding homophobic bullying and working on undoing stereotypes.

And Im assuming of course the girls will be thrown under a bus and forced to change with boys whilst dealing with the onset of puberty?

It makes absolutely no sense to have the T tagged onto LGB. At all.

Even ignoring the blatant homophobia around 'transing' kids who don't conform to gender stereotypes who have been shown to usually simply be gay when left alone instead of drugged up...the trans agenda says that having any sexuality in itself is homophobic. As sex doesn't exist and to say it does is transphobic. Which in turn makes both straight and gay people transphobic as they are attracted to opposite/same sex. Even some bi people are transphobic too. The only acceptable sexuality is 'pansexual'. So anyon e who is not pansexual, is transphobic. Batshit.

Straight/gay people do not exist at all. A straight man is a vagina fetishist. A gay man is a dick fetishist. A bi person who would not be attracted to a male bodied person with a feminine face and breast enlargements is just transphobic...And so on.

HornyTortoise

I really think they shot themselves in the foot with this sexual attraction is all about gender, not genitals.

All the people who supported the ideology because they thought it was part of gay issues, are usually quite shocked when they realise it actually undermines any sexual orientation, whatsoever.