The UK is officially an intolerant hellhole for transwomen

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www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/12/british-transgender-woman-given-residency-in-safer-new-zealand

"The tribunal deemed it would be “unduly harsh” for the woman to be forced to return to the UK, where she suffered years of “persecution” due to her gender identity disorder. "

In pleading for the woman to be allowed to remain in New Zealand, her lawyer, Kar-yen Partington, presented 20 articles to the tribunal detailing transphobic hate crimes in the UK.

Recent data from the UK shows transphobic hate crimes against LGBTQ people have soared by nearly 80% in the last four years, with more than one in five LGBT people being the victim of a hate crime in last 12 months.

Just seriously curious if (actual) women have ever been granted asylum for being subject to harassment, which in some countries is very extreme. Or is this more trans privilege?

I'm glad you asked that Quentin - I too am

butter no, we should be working to a point where everyone is accepted for their identities and choices, when those identities and choices don't harm someone else. We're just not there yet. I would be mad as hell if someone was discriminated against at a place where I worked for choosing not to shave, or for not wanting to wear a skirt or heels.

This is just ridiculous. Sorry, just ridiculous:
Asexuality is not 'not having sex' it is not experiencing sexual attraction, asexual people can have libido and this can be low or high just like anyone else. You can want sex, without being sexually attracted to someone (or so I've heard lol I'm a don't-want-sex ace)

So how do you determine who to have sex with? Would that person have sex with the elephant man just to fulfil a biological need to dust off the libido?

It also sounds faintly similar to the argument men have about their uncontrollable sexual desires. They wank into prostitutes who they don't care about whether there's reciprocal desire.

It's all just ridiculous.

How do you have a high libido but not sexual attraction?

they just experience constant judgement and prejudice because they don't conform to norms
Everyone suffers judgement and prejudice if they talk about their sex life. It's like parenting. Everyone thinks tgeir way is the best way.
The reality is it's really not that interesting to people who don't want sex with you.

How do you have a high libido but not sexual attraction?

Apparently you. Just. Can.

Shh! Don't question the logic or you're invalidating the identity/erasing them/saying they don't exist.

Butter I would assume you don't 'care' who you have sex with? There isn't attraction, it's just the biological need, sometimes people would just masturbate.

Olennas I mean...I don't have either? But like, I guess you're horny but not for a specific person/type of person, it could be anyone or yourself, you just need the release.

I guess if you're in a romantic relationship with someone and they are happy to have sex with you, then great, but you are not gonna be sexually attracted to that person. Which as discussed previously, isn't a great basis for a relationship/sex life.

This thread is the weirdest thread ever. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone

Half the uber and bus drivers in Wellington seem to be trans, not to mention a significant portion of retail workers+, so maybe it is a safe haven here.

+slight exaggeration

Loops, is there a classification / name for a person who wants to have lots of sex?

"Butter I would assume you don't 'care' who you have sex with? There isn't attraction, it's just the biological need, sometimes people would just masturbate."

"Olennas I mean...I don't have either? But like, I guess you're horny but not for a specific person/type of person, it could be anyone or yourself, you just need the release."

This is precisely why I made the link with pornification earlier on. Because I don't think anyone outside of a porn movie actually does work this way. Even the sort of bloke who has bought into the pornified view of the world still makes a distinction between women he'd shag and women he doesn't even see. I simply don't believe there are people out there who'd stick it into any warm body regardless. I don't think anyone's sexuality works that way. (And loops, as an asexual I don't think you're the best placed person to speculate that that is how sexual attraction does or can work).

"Butter I would assume you don't 'care' who you have sex with? There isn't attraction, it's just the biological need, sometimes people would just masturbate."

This is fairly typical sexual behaviour for many people, no? I think plenty of people have sex with an available person without finding them particularly sexually attractive, just not actively unattractive.

Queen I don't think so? Desiring a lot of sex doesn't seem to be an orientation because it's expression of your attraction rather than what your attraction is. But I might be wrong

I've got to hand it to you Loops, you're a faithful cult follower. You don't deviate from the doctrine and patiently keep trying to explain the irrational.

Prickly I agree, as an asexual person who doesn't have a libido or any desire to have sex at all, I have not a clue how an asexual person with libido feels...or how they view the people they have sex with when they want sex. It would be helpful to be able to ask but I don't know any ace people who satisfy their needs by having sex with other people.

assassinated Of course, but if they experience sexual attraction at all ever, then just because they choose to engage in sex without it that doesn't invalidate their orientation, or that of asexuals who don't ever experience it.

Butter I've never been in a cult, cool, "we are the real 1%" (I'm joking obvs). I am having to repeat stuff over and over but I don't especially mind. I do get that if you don't experience it, and never have, then split attraction can be odd, as can the idea of never experiencing sexual attraction.

Have you noticed that every explanation you have, Loops, about your doctrine, is filled with caveats about how it's ok to have other explanations or definitions? Unless you're a gender critical feminist an unbeliever, in which case you're a heretic whose opinion must never be considered or validated.

This is all personality and personal preference though. Why the need for dozens of multi-part labels and an insistence on external validation, recognition, legal protection etc etc.

It's not odd, it's incredibly dull and tedious.

butter of course it's ok to have other explanations, because I can literally only speak about my own personal experience of my asexuality. I know about other things, but if someone who actually is those things comes along and says I'm wrong, then they are of course right. If someone who isn't asexual tells me I'm wrong that's different.

assassinated My sexual orientation is not a preference, I can't choose to experience sexual attraction. I can choose to have sex without it, but I don't want to. So, the asexuality isn't a preference, but the lack of sex is.

My romantic attraction to women is not a preference, I don't have control over it, it just is. The fact I like girls with dark hair is a preference and I can control who I choose to pursue for a romantic relationship based on that preference.

Sexuality is of course a part of personality, but why does that make it less valid or worth protecting. This is all just our brains, all of us is just our brains.

I haven't made it to the end of this thread (am on p8) but my phone is about to die and I just wondered whether anyone else is reading "ace" with the original meaning and snurking a bit at sentences such as "I'm just ace, I don't know what anyone else identifies as but me, I'm ace"? (I'm not getting at loops as an asexual, it's just that without context her terminology made me howl with laughter).

Cheddar Haha that's ok, I feel a bit daft writing it sometimes but also it's quick and I'm dyslexic and tired and keep typing wrong lol I am ace tho :P well according to my friends...

Yes. "Ace" did that for me too.

Guys, it's better than 'asexy' which I get what they are trying to do with that, but it also feels like you're saying you're not sexy

Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.