What causes women to become trans activists?

[TheChampagneGalop]

I mean the type of activists that appeared to disrupt the recent meeting about gender in London.

From what I've read about this incident in Speaker's corner there were more women than men protesting and harassing women trying to go to that meeting.
I watched the video and the male violence was of course disturbing and alarming (and criminal!), but the mindless mantra chants from the women about terfs also disturbed me.

If transwomen started to adopt the roles of the opposite sex, I for one would be delighted. Stupefied, but delighted.

I know that this smarmy guy is from the FPIW (they are all about "traditional families"), but really try to ignore that and watch the "wokeness" of these millennials crumble before your very eyes -

Wee Witch - that video is worth watching for the gorgeous blossom trees in the background. They are stunning.

Aren't they!

I'm not for one second suggesting that women are not punished for not performing their assigned gender roles. Transpeople suffer, women suffer - the common ground is male supremacy and male privilege.

Not totally convinced by that video, though. I think the presenter's a dick. Also, I am in favour of gender-neutral toilets. As long as that doesn't mean: men's toilets for men and unisex toilets for... 'not-men' which does seem to have happened at least once.

I do also find the Rachel Dolezal business quite interesting, when you consider it alongside issues around gender and gender identity.

Because, a lot of the time, really, it doesn't matter what sex a person is or what their ethnic background is. Neither of these things affect a person's ability to drive a bus/fix a computer/pull pints/stack shelves/walk in the park/sit at the next table to you in a cafe. You don't need to know the sex/ethnicity of the person on the other end of the phone when you're renewing your car insurance or making a dental appointment.

In a lot of ways, you don't need to know a person's biological sex unless you're about to have sex, or particularly reproductive sex with them. But the main reason we can't just stop worrying about sex and gender altogether and let everyone just get on with being that they want is... male violence.

I'm in favour of gender-neutral toilets too. One toilet for biological females & one for biological males, with gender being irrelevant.

Sex-neutral toilets, no.

I agree that the presenter is a knob and the issues, as presented, are simplistic. The value in it is in watching the precious flowers (and I don't mean the blossoms) have their bubbles burst.

It isn't obvious to me that is what is going on in that video.

On a campus, most people are just going to keep their heads down. It's not worth challenging this kind of stuff if you're going to get into trouble.

None of those young people necessarily believe it. What they're saying in the video is that they're not going to challenge someone over it.

"I'm not for one second suggesting that women are not punished for not performing their assigned gender roles. Transpeople suffer, women suffer - the common ground is male supremacy and male privilege."

But which gender roles are MTT punished for not performing?

And how are MTT not a part of male supremacy and male privilege?

Yes Sylvia, also worth remembering that college students these days are very aware of technology and the internet. They know the tactic of "get someone racist/sexist/homophobic/generally stupid to say something stupid/offensive on camera which people relied on in the past/probably still do with some older people.

I've advised my university aged teen to do the same. Be noncommittal about the whole thing. Don't raise your head above the parapet.

Which is why it makes no sense that "cis" (sic) women oppress transwomen, because, well - they don't have anything we want, so what would be the point?

Ah, but for many TRAs transwomen are better women who are going to steal our menfolk, so we have to keep transwomen oppressed so that doesn't happen. Hence us having to "step our pussy up" in order to compete with the neovaginas and continue to attract male sexual partners.

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Yes Sylvia, also worth remembering that college students these days are very aware of technology and the internet. They know the tactic of "get someone racist/sexist/homophobic/generally stupid to say something stupid/offensive on camera which people relied on in the past/probably still do with some older people.

But that's the point, isn't it? Someone truly feels they must confirm that a man is a 5 foot four Asian woman, on film. Because they're so worried they might say something wrong.

That's a complete absence of critical thought.

How is it a lack of critical thought?

You don't need critical thought to know that someone is not seven, a woman or six foot five. It's obvious they're not.

What it is is a lack of dissent.

SylviaPoe

I agree it's lack of dissent. But it's also the opinion that identity trumps reality. Without consideration to the implications.

Their analysis of the situation is flawed, as it leads to actions which defy reality.

What I don't understand is how we got here so quickly. We've been working for years to get some organizations to let us be "Ms" but or seems to have taken 5 minutes to completely turn around thinking on gender. Cui bono?

I think it's because the majority of people didn't really get WHY we wanted to be Ms, they just thought we were being awkward and they cant see how this is different, they just think it's the same thing.

What's so regressive is how many have absorbed the notion that being a woman (or man) is a feeling, that "cis" is a perfectly acceptable label for those who aren't "trans" thus suggesting it's natural for people to have gender traits which are actually ascribed to their sex by society. The conflation of "sex" and "gender" is widespread.

I don't know if it has been explicitly stated, but drawing a distinction between those who offer support from the sidelines (often because it's a 'nice' thing to do and they haven't thought it through and it's probably one of a few vaguely similar causes they support) and those who are highly invested, I sense that there is a high degree of bullying present in the kinds of circles from which activists emerge. It starts with guilt-tripping and demands to 'check privilege' and being reminded that if you are white and middle-class (whatever that means) and female then addressing your oppression should come last really. This is done to generate a sense of shame and embarrassment and unworthyness. This is overlaid with all sorts of fake stats re trans people (mainly MtT) and the individual themselves starts their parasitic sucking of the energy, soul and spirit of their victim until out of fear of being un-PC and guilt about putting themselves first they do whatever for their host. If they transgress there is a threat of abandonment and public humiliation. I see some behaviour as pimping because so many of the young activist types get off on watching women do their dirty work, particularly if it's to other women. Basically MtT activists, many being misogynistic men, know exactly how to push the gender buttons that have been instilled in girls from an early age - be nice, put others first, look after men, etc. I have one who still tries this with me. he does not succeed, but I can see he is now working on the women to try and isolate me. I've found that many of these men like traditional women - or should I say women in traditional roles - some to play 'mum' and others to be their hareem. I see a lot of this as similar to the tactics that groomers and pimps use.

It's also about wanting all the status men have, and recognising that to have that status, someone else is still going to have to play the role of women. And that someone else is apparently us.

Bigdeskbob - FFS any men who are percieved as 'gay/effeminate' (ie not performing the proper masculine role, whether they identify as gay or trans) frequently get beaten up and bullied by men. Most of the transwomen I know (who tend not to be part of this cult mentality, just people getting on with their lives) have a story or two about being called a fag or a tranny, spat at, attacked etc.

And transwomen do get murdered. Again, by cismen. When it happens, the defence is often that the cisman was so horrified by discovering he was engaging with a transwoman rather than a ciswoman that he murdered the transwoman - poor man, not his fault. This is in no way to dismiss or ignore the number of ciswomen murdered by men for such unacceptable things as 'nagging' or leaving an abusive relationship. It's just reiterating the point that women and transpeople suffer from abuse, discrimination and other harms because of male supremacy and male violence, so we have a common enemy and shouldn't be enemies.