Pink News - you can't deadname a rapist

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www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/09/08/the-mail-just-implied-a-transgender-rapist-made-unwanted-sexual-advances-because-she-has-a-penis/

They have finally lost the plot. It's utterly shameful

Greypaw

Can I ask you something about your experience re AGP? So, keeping up the pretence, during the role-play is very important. And at the same time, involving non consenting people is seen as a no-no.

Do you think, that now the insistence on pronouns and calling even the slightest dissent, transphobic, is part and parcel of the fetish?

The fury exhibited for non-compliance seems to correlate with the need for everyone to keep up the pretence. But that doesn't tally with the unwritten rule of not involving unwitting participants.

HornyTortoise

I think you're absolutely right. As soon as you actually start to see more debate, evidence, studies, and examples of behaviour, the scales fall.

It's the censorship that is so infuriating. There would be no need to censor anything if allowing oxygen to flow though the debate affirmed the ideology.

But it doesn't. That's why debate is not allowed. And that's also why mumsnet is such a good resource. Oxygen does indeed flow and people can then make up their own minds.

Datun, I probably don't know enough about it, but it doesn't feel like the insistence on pronouns etc would be part of the fetish. It certainly would be a total about-face of the "safe, sane and consensual" thing that was always so paramount. I only ever met one man dressed as a woman who said they weren't there for the fetish stuff, but because it was somewhere they could go as that particular identity without being given a hard time for it - everyone else was openly AGP. I don't see why insistence on pronouns would need to be part of the fetish, but it would be bad etiquette to "misgender" someone. Only the biggest dick-heads would wreck someone's scene by doing that on purpose when they could just ignore it and get on with their own stuff.

As I said, AGP wasn't my thing so I don't know for sure, but I'd say (aside from the regular abusive fuckwits you get anywhere) the vast vast majority of people in the Scene would be utterly mortified if they thought they were involving anyone in anything non-consensually. Even the most hardcore sadists I knew would cringe at that idea. It doesn't really fit for AGPs to be different, but it's in no way impossible. I'd have to chat to one to test the water.

But anyway, it's this insistence now that AGP simply doesn't exist that really makes me snort. Here's a couple of screenshots I just took from Fetlife for anyone who is any doubt.

Greypaw

Thanks for the info. I'm trying to correlate what I've read, with what you said.

A number of women here whose partners were AGP have said there was a huge kick to be had out of being treated as female, despite the fact they were anything but. (Six foot four burly men in dresses, who wouldn't pass in a month of Sundays, etc.). And the insistence, online, that someone is female, despite them evidently not being. It seems to be a massive sticking point. (And not one that is much of a priority for a lot of men with gender dysphoria, who are not AGP.)

I'm trying to fit together the pieces.

Those screenshots are interesting. My MP said the existence of AGP was controversial!

So, unless someone paid to go through individual newspapers' archives, there's no way of finding any reference to Martin Ponting, father of three and convicted rapist.

How is anyone supposed to keep themselves safe?

What about checking the record of known sex offenders?

If 'Jessica' were to leave prison now and set up home as a 'male-lesbian', how is 'her' new partner to know what her new partner is capable of?

I realise what I said was confusing - within the role-playing itself the pronouns would be part of the fetish. What I don't think would be necessary is this wider insistence on pronouns outside the role-play. So as part of a scene or ongoing role-play then yes it would be important (essential, I'd think), but I can't imagine it would extend to fury and censure on other people's behalves like you see on twitter, Everyday Feminism etc.

My experience of AGP was that my husband was encouraged by other crossdressers on cross dressing forums to lie and minimise to me. To introduce me to his fetish in a softly softly boil the frog way. He was encouraged to think that I was a horrible bigot for not being into his thing. I read threads where there was lots of "poor hun" stuff, that I was jealous of how sexy he was and selfish for monopolising the "female" role in our marriage. It was vile to read.

There were a few sage voices, but they were in the minority.

Most of the advice was about how to manipulate me into fully supporting his fetish, not a thing about how to meet me in the middle after 17 years of lying to me!

I guess the rules of the fetish scene have changed.

Yep, Pinknews hates women.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/09/05/mothers-attack-supermarket-for-selling-transgender-childrens-book/

"Swarms of Mothers" eh? Nevermind that the "swarm" examples are 5 tweets, 2 of which are from men.

Cunts.

The funniest thing about that is that as I read The boy in the dress , the hero isn't trans, he's just a boy who likes wearing dresses some of the time!

It has nothing to do with being trans.

Ha ha, cross post, Lass. Great minds and all that!

I've never heard of that book. But if it's nothing about transgenderism but people think it is, that should be made clear.

People are confusing gender non-conformity with transgenderism. Which is the opposite of gender non-conformity.

This is why it's so important that debate is not stifled.

I don't understand how the suppression of the rapist's news stories has happened. Does google do it? When a criminal transitions in jail are newspapers notified and someone has to go through online archives and withdraw them? Do the police organise it because it's a hate crime to misgender?

Do google do it? Are there other creaky old search engines still out there that throw the results up?

If you Googled other details of the story, but not his name, would it come up that way?

Surely it's just the name that has had to the Google results changed.

But I don't know dates, location. The victims are anonymous. You get my drift.

I've Googled and Googled and can't find anything other than the recent articles.

Without his name I think it would be impossible to find anything in the public domain.

I am inclined to agree.

This is a cynical attempt at getting round and milking the system.

Laxer regimes, less crowded cells, access to more potential victims and greater chance of anonymity getting out.

Win. Win. Win.

At women's expense.

I found this article which says the rapes took place in Swindon, and he is from Ashton Keynes, Glos.
theukdatabase.com/2017/04/16/martin-ponting-cirencester/
Everything else seems to have been removed by Google.

The recentruling by the Court of Justice of the European Unionhas profound consequences for search engines in Europe. The court found that certain users have the right to ask search engines like Google to remove results for queries that include the person's name. To qualify, the results shown would need to be inadequate, irrelevant, no longer relevant, or excessive.

So post Brexit can we change this then?

You can apply to be forgotten, and all your details, and all the details of the heinous crimes you committed just disappear into the ether.

I tried "child rapists convicted in 1995" and "rapists convicted in 1995". And then both adding "in the UK" .

He didn't appear in any of the results.

Surely the details of sex offenders are in the public interest? Who makes this decision?