Argh "maiden" name

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What can I use instead of the term "maiden name"?

"Unmarried name" does not sound right. "Previous name" ditto.

Never should have changed the bloody thing in the first place.

Oops

I love all the nonsense supporters of maiden names and the like post about forms of address "being correct"

There are titles relating to members of the aristocracy which have rules because the title itself was created by the Crown and to which the jursidiction of whatever the English equivalent of the (Scottish) Court of the Lord Lyon applies ; or the specific canonical rules of churches which define "correct titles" but for everyone else? Nope. The only "correct title" is whatever the person wants.

SerfTerf

Who are you satirising Crumbs? I'm being a bit slow

I thought you were being deeply sarcastic!

No, sorry. I didn't know is she was rubbing someone on the thread or sending up someone else. Turns out it was neither. I don't know why I was expecting joshing

RIBBING

Thank you for your acknowledgement AdalindScafe - not sure why I'm wrong though? I might bring a different perspective to the discussion but that doesn't necessarily make me wrong. Is dissent not permissible?

It's not a question of being "wrong" because you're recounting your experience in this regard but the terms of address you refer to are clearly sexist and devalue women's identities.

You're wrong, because you state these forms of address are 'correct'
Correct in this sense is subjective. Social norms and conventions are not objectively 'correct'. Your outmoded social conventions are only correct to people who subscribe to them. So yes, you are wrong.

Correct in this sense is subjective. Social norms and conventions are not objectively 'correct'

Rules about titles are objectively correct when grounded in law or the articles of an institution. Hence peerages are, as they were initially granted by the Crown or now the Government and religious and academic titles by the rules of the relevant bodies and/or canonical law.

Just because it says so in Debretts or Miss Manners is not the same.

Lolz Crumbs

How about:
Spinster name.
TAFKA Smith (or whatever)
FormerOnTheShelf name.
FreeNEasy name
Name from my Youth
PreWifeWorker name.

TAFKA: the artist formerly known as...

Still not seeing the need for any of them.

"My name" seems sufficient.

elQuintoConyo

Sorry you were being sarcastic

OK, correct may indeed be incorrect. I sit corrected.
Outmoded though is also subjective and in my world the term maiden name is both normal and perceived as correct.

"Deed poll is a much simpler process than you might thin"

You don't need a deed poll to revert to your birth name.

Outmoded though is also subjective

Referring to a woman without even using her name is entirely sexist and should be outdated, as should using terms such as "maiden name", particularly when increasing numbers of women don't change their surnames when they marry. That there is no such term for men shows how sexist this language is.

Outmoded though is also subjective and in my world the term maiden name is both normal and perceived as correct

Is it correct? Surely it would be more correct if women changed their name when they cease to be maidens?

(For the avoidance of doubt insert sarcasm icon here)

If I change my name when I, ahem, cease to be a maiden, do I then change it again on marriage. (As, shock horror, I think the majority of married women have more than the one relationship!)

Traditionally, in marriage you become as one. Perhaps it SHOULD be outdated but for many it is the preferred form of address. Should women no longer be allowed to choose how they are addressed because someone else deems it sexist. My understanding is discrimination results in less favourable treatment. The use of my married name probably confers advantages.

The use of my married name probably confers advantages.

If this is the case it's even more sexist as you're suggesting women who don't change their surnames are not getting these "advantages".

There is no reason for the titles "Miss" or "Mrs" to exist. Men only have "Mr" and even boys are addressed "Mr", so why should women be anything other than "Ms"? Never mind the sexism of a woman's identity being entirely disregarded.

Traditionally, in marriage you become as one

I'm not going to address that point as I do not know what you mean. (Actually I kind of do but I don't have the strength to go there)

Perhaps it SHOULD be outdated but for many it is the preferred form of address. Should women no longer be allowed to choose how they are addressed because someone else deems it sexist.

I thought this thread about the nonsense of referring to the name on a woman's name as a "maiden name"- not "Mrs"? But if you want to- hasn't it ever struck you as a bit odd that the rest of the world apart from the UK somehow manages to get by without a title for women which announces to the world that they are married?

My understanding is discrimination results in less favourable treatment. The use of my married name probably confers advantages

Not sure what point you are making in joining those sentences together but so far as the second one - (a) what advantages do you think this confers? and (b) is that fair?

I thought this thread about the nonsense of referring to the name on a woman's birth certificate as a "maiden name".

The name on my birth certificate is my name- not my "maiden name" . It will be the same name on my death certificate.

The name on my birth certificate is my name- not my "maiden name" . It will be the same name on my death certificate.

Exactly so.

Every woman in Germany is Frau regardless of marital status.

Most women in North America are Ms ditto.

Does anyone know about France? I am pretty sure it is the same there with Madame / Mademoiselle.

UK is definitely behind the times!

France for a grip on the honorific situation a few years ago;

www.reuters.com/article/us-france-mademoiselle/mademoiselle-is-no-longer-an-official-french-woman-idUSTRE81M1DR20120223

Yes LassWiTheDelicateAir definitely yes.

I didn't change mine when I got married. My sister did (and now her initials are BJ ). DS has both surnames, eg James Smith Jones, where i am Smith and DH Jones.

What other women do is up to them and i don't look down on anyone who chose the route my sister took.

Vive le diference!