Why are feminists so aggressive?

[BertrandRussell]

This, or something like it, it always being asked. People say that the FWR board on here is scary and hounds out people whose faces don't fit. That women are always being told they can't be feminists if.......And so on. And so on.

In my experiences, you are much more likely to get an aggressive response if you express a feminist point of view than the other way round. Is it just me? Or am I missing something?

There have been plenty of interesting feminists threads recently, where everyone seems to be holding their own- but the same old accusations keep coming up.

You weren't alive hundreds or thousands of years ago. Neither were the men that you appear to be so angry at.

I'm angry at the men who are rather aggressive to women and girls rather regularly in the present of whom there are a huge number. Aside from the physical attacks, men such as these who harass women and girls constantly: www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/west-london-news/woman-told-i-hope-you-13041666

Also, many women and girls are no longer alive due to their lives being cut short by men for no other reason than they were female. I'm quite angry about that too.

Yeh, I'm why women are not feminist. Problem solved

Lass, I know you like to hunt. I'll roll over and show you my tummy. Leave me alone

@NoLoveofMine,

Be angry about real problems that are happening now. No need to be angry about what our ancestors did.

All groups have their historical oppressors, sexual, racial, ethnic, cultural etc.

My ethnicity were historically oppressed. I am not angry at the nation that exists today, because the people who did the oppression are dead and gone.

You weren't alive hundreds or thousands of years ago. Neither were the men that you appear to be so angry at.

So WHAT?

If they didn't agree with what their male ancestors did, they could just, you know, stop doing the exact same thing. Which they don't. Because oppressing women is "tradition" and all that other nonsense. Which is why history matters, why it matters that men have been doing this shit for centuries.

Again: If they were sooo very different from the men from before, sooo wonderfully, perfectly different people, they could just stop oppressing women.

Be angry about real problems that are happening now.

I am, which was the point of my post. I'm enraged by male violence against women and girls, ruining and taking the lives of so many because the lives are/were female lives.

Yeh, I'm why women are not feminist. Problem solved

Not what I said.

You are however the reason a poster has stopped posting. Your self pity is wearisome. You were happy to attack another poster, without justification, but my goodness how dare any one call you out on it.

Well I guess the original question has been answered really.

like some of you said, you are angry, and do therefore sound angry. it shouldn't be of any surprise then, that people might find this board room, and feminist in general, aggressive, and label it as such.

I just don't understand the problem with Lass, I really think you have her so so wrong, but I'm gonna stay out of that.

Vestal I'm quite convinced after watching lots of weird YouTube videos, that human beings have been around and had cultures long before we think, I also think that women ruled many societies back in the day. Despite being from the Abrahanic religions myself, I do think that this patriarchy has only been about for a couple thousand years.

Even if you look at the spartans in ancient roman times, their women ruled men and the men were quite happy about this. Perhaps we can't quite understand this coming from a background where women have been oppressed for so long, we are the descendants of Ancient Rome after all. But not all civilisations had their degree of patriarchy and my gosh the Greeks were even worse.

The way I see it my ancestors the celts had women's rights and female leaders for centuries. But the roman invasion and then a twisted version of Christianity fucked that up.

That's my take on it anyway.

Be angry about real problems that are happening now.

Which specific issues that are happening now make you angry, Thephoneywar? Let's find some common ground.

Pear would you not be pissed off if like me you had been through domestic violence etc?

Do not come across as particularly prickly?

(back in the morning)

And I called out the word, not the poster. The poster subsequently disagreed with me. There was debate, other posters were involved. It was not an extraordinary debate.

You seem massively invested in this. Are you losing in court these days or something?

Am I to STFU because you tell me to? Is Elendon permitted to have an understanding of a word but not me?

Tell me the rules because I do so want to conform

Perfect I really don't think Lass is who you think she is. You both just need to chill and will probably have loads of view in common.

Anyway I'm being an interfering old bag, sorry!!

But vestal if you look at the ancient celts they already had women's rights and rights for disabled people. Our ancestors in the British Isles were strong free wild women.

Did you see this in the news this week Titania?
www.inquisitr.com/4476847/male-and-female-roles-different-in-stone-and-bronze-age-women-spread-culture-and-traveled-men-stayed-home/

Oh wow! I shall read that thanks! I think because we assume men have always been in charge we misinterpret things from our past, but gonna go read it!

Amazing! It's just what I thought, but because we are so used to patriarchy it's difficult to accept. I mean just look at art work of human beings from the ancient past, there are so many fertility goddess statues, women with big boobs bellies etc, we must have had our fertility worshipped at some points in time. I think back in the day women were completely equal and at some points in charge.

Now then Lass swing as you aren't a fan of religion especially the abrahamic faiths, what do you think of the idea that at points in history women were absolutely in charge? As a non feminist I'm interested in your POV.

Seeing not swing

Oh gosh I could chat about this all night.

Maybe our superior language skills led our ancestors to seeing women as diplomats?

My dog proves females being in charge to me really. Dogs have lived with human beings for at least 15,000 years and they absolutely understand and respect the alpha female human.

Now then Lass swing as you aren't a fan of religion especially the abrahamic faiths, what do you think of the idea that at points in history women were absolutely in charge? As a non feminist I'm interested in your POV

I have absolutely no idea if this might be the case. It is not something I have come across or thought of - other than in fiction

Marion Zimmer Bradley's The Mists of Avalon is about the power of the Godess and defying an Abrahamic religion (which will eventually triumph)

On a similar theme Chris Beckett's Dark Eden trilogy deals with humanity having to recreate itself on a different planet from only 1 couple- which starts as a matriarchal society with a female quasi deity but whose history gets distorted and diminished as society develops (although the founding mother gets her status back in the end)

Aplogies if everyone is already familiar with these books.

@pencilsinspace

Issues that make me angry? I wouldn't say any issues make me angry.

On a wider level, outside of feminism, climate change and poverty are the issues that concern me most.

@Vestal,

Men are people too. Just like you and me. It's as if you think they have some innate original sin just because they have a penis.

I have never heard of those books, so will have to add them to the list at some point.

"like some of you said, you are angry, and do therefore sound angry. it shouldn't be of any surprise then, that people might find this board room, and feminist in general, aggressive, and label it as such."

So feminists are never allowed to be angry or sound angry or disagree
With any other women or be anything but supportive all other women? How the fuck does that work?