Munroe Bergdorf sacked by l'oreal

[Biddlyboo]

Has anyone seen this news story today? The irony that a mtt transgender goes off on one about race when the exact same thing can be said about men's privilege and society standing on the backs of women...
Sorry, just made me a bit
www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/41127404/loreal-sacks-first-transgender-model-munroe-bergdorf
Can't do clicky link!

Can you imagine how long I would last at work if I went about saying I hate all black people

Not the same. Majority black nations aren't leeching off majority white nations like parasites, nor are they killing our civillians in the hundreds of thousands, nor are they selling arms to people who want to murder us.

The UK and our allies DO, do this to majority non-white countries.

It's fair enough to say that in a country that perpetuates this system, (yet most people in it are unaware of it) - that it might have been unwise to say these thoughts publicly.

But saying it's like you saying you hate all black people is not equivalent.

For you to say that would be racism.

But Monroe is holding up a mirror to an ugly truth, not being racist.

Elendon did you follow any of my links? I'm not making this shit up.

Anything to say on the murder of civilians, the selling of weapons to dodgy regeimess, debt or aid?

if you don't think there are sweat shops still existing in the UK, then you are very much head in the sand

I didn't say there weren't. What's your point exactly?

Is Munroe not from one of these countries that is wealthy on the backs of others then? I thought Munroe was British?

'This thread is getting ridiculous. We have had claims of oppression for POC, women, Scots, Welsh, the lower classes, Catholics, dalit, etc, etc.
Is there anybody left who doesn't claim to be oppressed? Prince William maybe.'

He's bald and his mum died when he was a kid. Also he's descended from German immigrants.

Just - irritated didn't say they were white.

'Is Munroe not from one of these countries that is wealthy on the backs of others then? I thought Munroe was British?'

Munroe wasn't making the same argument that Justanother is making though.

Well the west continues to exploit these countries and many of the problems that exist today in these countries were caused by colonisation there is an estimated one thousand different languages spoken and
at least as many as distinct ethnic groups in Africa (the people of Africa are the most ethnically diverse in the world). When the Europeans Came in they split to continent and the people regardless of the natives culture religion, and tribe distribution.
It caused Africa to become a victim of a constantly unstable political environment, with its resources and population emigrating to foreign countries and continents.

The west prevents these countries from actually progressing so that we can continue to benefit from their exploitation. We are continuously setting low prices for the raw materials Africa provides and devalue their currency and we also put tariff barriers on any of their manufactured goods so they can't even make things without paying a hefty price.
"estimates put the financial outflow from Africa to the west at about US$200 million per day, and for every one dollar put into Africa, the West receives back four "

Just - irritated didn't say they were white fair enough, I apologise. It does sound to me as if they're probably white by the way they phrased the argument but I assept we don't kow that for sure and it's an assumption on my part.

I know Munroe didn't say that. But if everyone in the UK is racially violent, and that is what makes Munroes statement valid, then surely Munroe is also racially violent?

Munroe wasn't making the same argument that Justanother is making though.

Really? How do you know that?

Tell me this Just

Where was the outrage when 10,000 people lost their jobs when BHS closed down? None really because the majority of them were women working , mostly, in part-time jobs.

I think Bergdorf has a point. It was badly worded though.

It's like me as an elected politician calling the DUP terrorists which they have substantive links too

I have looked up Munroe Bergdorf. They run a nightclub called 'Pussy Palace' and recently celebrated 'Khuntriarchy'

House rules include

"Body shaming, racism, ableism, ageism, transphobia, homophobia, xenophobia, fatphobia is not tolerated at PP. No tolerance for prejudice based on class or gender presentation" (nothing about sexism, I note).

It sounds like the same old, same old kinky trans fetish to me.

@justanothernameagain I think what they are saying is that as long there is a few white people working in sweat shops in the uk, it should negate the whole argument based on oppression and race. White people suffer too. (No one is denying that). But as collective is very different.
Also, because there are poor white people, it means we can't make claims on what the system is like.

There are factories employing people in Africa to refurbish old phones and lithium is a valuable source. I hope we are on the same page. If not, it might be a good idea to read up on this and the effects those computers and fridges are doing to people who break them up in African countries and the land.

I have looked up Munroe Bergdorf. They run a nightclub called 'Pussy Palace' and recently celebrated 'Khuntriarchy'

So fucking what? If we were talking abotu trans issues or sexism thn that would be relevant.

Are you REALLY trying to say that trans POC shouldn't publicly have opinions about race issues?

Or that if they do, it's ironic?

If you think that, do the white people here accept that a white person you should expect to be called out for having opinions about sexism publicly?

Because it's the same thing!

Munroe wasn't making the same argument that Justanother is making though. They were, if you understand the magnitude of the argument. I also, explained why she might benefit from in the previous thread. It can be complicated to understand but simple if you see it as something that exist from your house and beyond.

Where was the outrage when 10,000 people lost their jobs when BHS closed down? None really because the majority of them were women working , mostly, in part-time jobs.

I agree we live in a country where sexism is part of the system. But why is that relevant here in any way at all? It doesn't change the totally exploitative relationship our country has witht he rest of the world, nor the institutionalised, systematic racism within our shores.

He's bald and his mum died when he was a kid. Also he's descended from German immigrants.

arf.

'Munroe wasn't making the same argument that Justanother is making though.

Really? How do you know that?'

Because Munroe's argument is the argument Munroe actually made. I'm agreeing with the argument that was actually made.

Maybe she would entirely agree with Just or maybe she'd have a different perspective. Either way, her argument cannot be dismissed on the basis that she might have meant what some other person discussing race has said.

I suspect there is a little bit more to this than just calling out the all whites are racist card with regard to the sacking.

Bergdorf is gone now. The lucre is no longer. Personally, I think Bergdorf has thrown PoC under a bus by their remarks on this.

Where was the outrage when 10,000 people lost their jobs when BHS closed down? None really because the majority of them were women working , mostly, in part-time jobs. To put bluntly, those jobs where there because BHS managed to exploit the poor in other countries.
This does not take away the sexism in this country but it can show how complicated it can get and how we forget where the good we sell comes from. How much money was paid for the materials and the people who sourced it.

The way the whole BHS debacle was handled showed how sexism worked in this country. The value of women who are majority workers and class.

Bergdorf is gone now. The lucre is no longer. Personally, I think Bergdorf has thrown PoC under a bus by their remarks on this. No they haven't. If pandering to white people is how black people get by, then what do you call that?

And it was exploited women who produced those clothes, I wonder who owned and ran the factories on those countries - men?. The CEO of BHS was a male.

I'm not suggest Bergdorf pandered, I agree with some of the points made.

What do you mean by white people?