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Rapist copied scenes he'd seen in pornography

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NoLoveofMine · 25/08/2017 23:16

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-41039754

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SophoclesTheFox · 26/08/2017 13:52

If the porn'n'prostitution cheerleading posts on this thread are supposed to make us think that the industry is populated by well adjusted actresses and happy hookers, I just want to interject at this point that it's having exactly the opposite effect on me Sad

You can't be in a good place to be coming onto this thread and making those points.

DJBaggySmalls · 26/08/2017 13:56

www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/15497546.Woman___s_murder____could_not_have_been_prevented______report_finds/?ref=mr&lp=2#comments-anchor

I believe this is another case of a man acting out what he'd seen in porn. This man dated a woman with learning difficulties after being dumped by his first victim.
I really doubt he told his potential girlfriends he like strangling them during sex. They didnt seem to know he was about to do it and complained afterwards.
He is serving 20 years for murder, this isnt his first offence.

gotspoiler · 26/08/2017 13:56

SophoclesTheFox There ARE happy porn actresses. How is that hard to accept?

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 26/08/2017 13:56

Yes , me too Sophocles.

But hey, we are no doubt just frigid and joyless and don't enjoy sex. I'm not , and I'd bet others aren't too but I'd take that any day over what is being promoted here.

CoinOperatedGurl · 26/08/2017 13:57

Why do you not think I'm in a good place? Because I don't think porn is harmful.

NoLoveofMine · 26/08/2017 13:57

Talking about "happy porn actresses" in the context of a man who raped women and girls is bizarre. This is about his victims and others, not "actresses".

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SylviaPoe · 26/08/2017 13:58

I'm sorry your thread has become completely derailed, no love.

NoLoveofMine · 26/08/2017 13:59

Thank you Sylvia. It's tiresome but very telling about the attitudes of some and their lack of care for victims.

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CoinOperatedGurl · 26/08/2017 13:59

If you didn't want a link to porn in general then why make the link in the op?

NoLoveofMine · 26/08/2017 14:01

I posted it, whilst out, using words the judge used in his summing up. Regardless, the happiness or otherwise of anyone involved in pornography is clearly irrelevant to this case and others like it.

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SophoclesTheFox · 26/08/2017 14:02

I don't doubt that some women say that their careers in porn are happy ones, got . They tend to say differently when they exit the industry.

If you don't think porn is harmful, despite it having harmed you personally, coin, then something is awry. I couldn't begin to say what that is through words on a screen. I hope it's not true, to be honest.

Datun · 26/08/2017 14:09

SophoclesTheFox

Me too. The amount of confusion and utter repression of oneself, coupled with the usual bog standard derailing and whataboutery is depressing.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 26/08/2017 15:09

If you dont get the point of collidascope post

Then its you who has problems with sex

coin

I think i missed a post for me earlier....where you asking do i agree with rape porn? If so the answer would be no, but i dont like the porn industry anyway

7Days · 26/08/2017 15:46

The thread isn't about how porn works for those who are in it, but the effects on those who watch it.
Didn't have a good effect o this guy, and his victims had to pay the price.

Good side of porn - it gives many men and some women orgasms.
The performers get paid.
Some other people make a lot of money.

Bad side of porn - on performers, on individual consumers, the people in their orbit, and society as a whole.

Is it worth it? How much damage is too much damage?

NoLoveofMine · 26/08/2017 15:54

Indeed so 7Days. I'd say not worth it but in the circumstances far more education on sex, relationships and consent in schools is vital.

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QuentinSummers · 26/08/2017 15:57

Omg nolove cannot believe how derailed your thread is. I am surprised it's controversial to discuss the impact of violent porn on men off the back of a case where it's explicitly described as a contributing factor. Jesus.

coin If sex work is a job, what health and safety would you put in place to prevent unnecessary deaths like this? Drowns-In-Semen-While-Filming-Bukkake-Scene

QuentinSummers · 26/08/2017 15:58

Oops link fail
<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=thegoldwater.com/news/4248-Japanese-Porn-Star-Drowns-In-Semen-While-Filming-Bukkake-Scene&ved=0ahUKEwj3tNG_lPXVAhVEJsAKHV-_D1wQFggqMAE&usg=AFQjCNEaRN3q3MIPsvClVQ4zo7Z_u5LgZQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=thegoldwater.com/news/4248-Japanese-Porn-Star-Drowns-In-Semen-While-Filming-Bukkake-Scene&ved=0ahUKEwj3tNG_lPXVAhVEJsAKHV-_D1wQFggqMAE&usg=AFQjCNEaRN3q3MIPsvClVQ4zo7Z_u5LgZQ

enoughisenough12 · 26/08/2017 16:10

Good grief Quentin - I wish I didn't know that Sad

Sometimes (on a bad day) it feels as if there are no depths that the porn industry and abusive men won't stoop to in order to get their own gratification.

CoinOperatedGurl · 26/08/2017 16:31

Due to the money the industry makes profits will always come over people.

CoinOperatedGurl · 26/08/2017 16:33

And that is sad but it was just an accident. The same risks apply when doing water sports and other activities which require lots of bodily fluids.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 26/08/2017 16:45

but it was just an accident. The same risks apply when doing water sports

To be clear "water sports" are you referring to water- ski-ing? water polo ? surfing? synchronised diving? or pissing over women and/or into their mouths?

Nancy91 · 26/08/2017 17:03

I think there was something very wrong with this man, but I don't believe it is pornography's fault, even though he was recreating scenes from it.

If a murderer watches a horror film and then copies scenes from it, it's not the fault of the film industry - there must already be something very sick within the person committing these crimes. Most people can watch these things and not become rapists and murderers, the issue is that man's warped mentality. Blaming it on porn is some sort of scapegoat for him.

sillage · 26/08/2017 18:02

CoinOperatedGurl is jerking off to this thread.

He called himself "CoinOperatedGurl". Duh.

He claims to get aroused at seeing women emotionally upset and trolls the internet for places to emotionally upset women and get his rocks off.

Sometimes engaging with fools is fun, this one is just more obvious and boringly trite than most.

thesleepystorm · 26/08/2017 18:07

Do you really feel at risk of violence constantly?

Yes, I do.

hiddenmnetter · 26/08/2017 18:49

So been out most of the day and come back to this...it's enough to make one despair.

Right difference between a gang-bang anal rape scene and an underwater welder?

You said no-one enjoys receiving in an anal gangbang scene? That's the difference right there: the object of your job is your degradation and your suffering is a required (I.e.: essential) product. An underwater welder may well accept the risk of injury but his injuries are neither the intention nor essential to his job!! That they happen is the reason he commands the pay he does. Their possibility is not the necessity though.

Finally an idea of human nature and a general idea of human action will make it fairly clear how damaging pornography is.

Human nature is good- it strives to excellence and beauty and goodness. It is, however, marred by a terrible weakness and a terrible propensity to fall into what used to be known as base passions. Our society, and our socialisation generally, attempts to raise each generation to fight ones own base passions in order to achieve more excellent things like marriage and family and having children or doing things like giving your life over to helping those less fortunate etc. These require a level of self-discipline and self-mastery that falling into base passion derails. I am talking of things like lust (the sexually based emotion that attempts to use the other rather than love them) or lying to make ones life easier. Drunkenness does the same thing- it robs one of self-control and a life given to drunkenness is a life often destroyed. Read the posts in the relationship section that mention alcoholism. Also the lack of control of appetite: read all the threads about people's regret at

Underneath this there are what used to be called morbid passions: the rage that can lead to violence, uncontrolled lust and anger that can lead to rape and the like.

Porn as I remember it in all the magazines and the like used to be aimed at arousing base passions. This is problematic enough. Porn from what I've heard and read just on this thread is aimed at arousing morbid passions- arousing violence and arousing anger. Of arousing a selfishness so deep that it then overwhelms the natural empathy and sympathy people have when viewing others. As a society we seem to be walking away from teaching our children the value of self-control, of the value of taming our uncontrolled nature.

Such an analysis of action and of human nature makes the danger of porn obvious from the moral point of view. Everyone else has detailed again and again the danger to bodily integrity and psychosexual danger that porn poses in normalising brutality in sexual relationships.

So, to return to your original points coin- yes, ultimately the origin of this mans actions are found in his own moral freedom. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't helped along the way by his use of violent porn.

The only way you can argue what you seem to be arguing comes from a sort of transactional theory of action- provided I am paid for my actions I am therefore not abused or used and since you seem to be suggesting that most porn actresses and actors seem to be paid therefore their choices must be respected. I think that's arrant nonsense because humans are more than transactions.

Along with others I cannot tell- you may be a troll, or you may simply be so horrifically brutalised by your life that you are unable to see your own pain: but it is just that, pain. That does not mean it is too late to escape or to find a life beyond it. It does, however, mean that the industry you are defending is heavily responsible for your anguish. For all I know you may not be who you say- you may be someone paid by pornographers to defend pornography on forums just like this. It doesn't make the damage of porn any less real.

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