Woman jailed for ten years for false rape accusations

[OlennasWimple]

Can we discuss this case? It's interesting for lots of reasons, including that the sentence she has been given for making multiple false accusations is over three times the length that one of the men who was falsely accused was given for actual rape

She's mentally ill. I don't understand why we imprison the mentally ill.

@Ferret

Is that your excuse?People who have studied and researched this at masters level and above and provided references to their research to validated their claims are lying now? Tessa Gabrielle van der Putten, Victimology and criminal Justice is a big liar?

Dr. K.M.E. Lens Assistant Professor, Tilburg Law School is another big liar is she? (Yes they are both women)

What's your masters in? Any links to the research you've carried out?

My two or more cents...

1. Rape sentences are ridiculous and nowhere near harsh enough.

2.No idea of the sentence in this case is too harsh,but it is well deserved.

1. The judge's comments and from some of the PP's. For every case of rape that is discussed there's always people shouting "but .,but.. false allegations,women lie,women regret it the next day,women change their mind". This type of case just gives them more ammo,they can post links as "evidence" and example and completely derail a discussion. It's all about the poor men,and it is not that unbelievable that at least for a while,in the aftermath of this some women will be worried about reporting a rape,given the sympathy and outrage caused. One man rapes,NAMALT and all that shit. One woman lies about rape and sadly(as years and years have shown) all women are (at best)possible liars.

I've just looked up this case. Apparently she made 15 t false accusations of rape over a period of time. Hence the lengthy sentence.

@Mumof56

Yes because researchers can't possibly ever be biased and cherry pick their data to fit whatever they're trying to prove

And they're women you say? Well that settles it then. It is of course not possible for women to be misogynistic, no sir-ee.

On a more serious note, I might read it tomorrow. I just cannot be arsed right now.

The judge's comments and from some of the PP's. For every case of rape that is discussed there's always people shouting "but .,but.. false allegations,women lie,women regret it the next day,women change their mind". This type of case just gives them more ammo

The judge meant well but I think he expressed himself badly.

@Ferret

So you have no research then. Nadia, nothing. And they're all liars.

Very good

And they're all liars.

Yes that's exactly what I said. Well done.

What a nasty, fucked up bitch she is. I may be in the minority in saying this, as it is posted in Feminism, but I think the sentence that she got is appropriate. What if the men she accused of rape were your father, husband, brother, son?
I saw my brother's life get destroyed by a false accusation (not sexually motivated) and he ended up with a prison sentence. The truth was discovered after he was released from prison but he had already lost access to his kids because of it.

@LassWiTheDelicateAir that i can agree with. I can "understand" the reasoning/mindset behind the comment.

I think most people agree that her sentence was appropriate.

Mum What's the provenance of the linked document? It looks like someone's undergraduate dissertation. Did it pass?
Of more relevance is this comprehensive review of false rape allegations in the UK
Article about the review

One man rapes,NAMALT and all that shit. One woman lies about rape and sadly(as years and years have shown) all women are (at best)possible liars

Yy

Excellent point.

There is a lot of "whataboutery" on this thread- both from posters posting harrowing accounts of rape and those citing examples of wrongful convictions.
None of them are relevant.

I'm not sure there is anything to discuss beyond , yes her sentence is appropriate.

surreylanes she's mentally ill.
Or a dangerous sociopath.
There's no evidence of mental illness. If she was mentally ill then presumably her lawyer would have brought it up in her defence.

I'm really hoping that one of those clever law review folks will blog about this case, and what it means in relation to perjury case law.

From a lay perspective, it would appear that repeatedly lying about rape is the gravest thing that anyone can do, as this woman has been given a sentence longer than anyone else in the last 100 years.

That makes it a graver offence, based on the sentencing, than providing a false alibi to your boyfriend when he is accused of the double murder of two young girls (Maxine Carr got three years); lying about the kidnapping of your daughter / girl friend's daughter for a protracted period and holding / allowing her to be held drugged in the base of a divan bed for some weeks (Karen Matthews and Michael Donavan got eight years each); and various instances of abusing public office (Ali Dizaei got three years, as well as the various MPs who have lied and lied again)

Good. Now that we are all agreed how serious rape is - so serious that people who lie about being raped are subject to the maximum sentence - let's see that reflected in how people who report this heinous crime to the police are treated, and how people who are convicted of rape get sentenced.

@dawned What's the provenance of the linked document? It looks like someone's undergraduate dissertation. Did it pass?
Of more relevance is this comprehensive review of false rape allegations in the UK

as I clearly already stated. It is not an undergrad thesis that didn't pass as you are trying to suggest.

It was wrote by Tessa van Der Puten as her masters thesis and supervised by Dr. Lens Tilburg University. And yes it did pass

now, I'll have a read of you disguised guardian link

Oleanna you are not comparing like with like. None of the cases in that link compares to the quantity of offences here. Only one- Shannon Matthews resulted in terrible consequences for others.

Surely it's both about the direct consequences for others, but also the wider impact of your lies. So the Chapman and Wells parents had to wait for a number of days more to find out what had happened to their daughters as a result of Carr's actions. Ali Dizaei brought the police force into disrepute (and there was a direct victim of what he did, BTW, as someone was held for 24 hours on a completely trumped up charge)

I agree that the scale of the lies in the case in question seems to be without parallel (though I haven't done a huge amount of digging on the issue, will carry on looking as I find perjury a really interesting offence (I know that makes me very sad...))

@noeffingidea

She has borderline personality disorder which is a mental illness.

Finding it hard to believe anyone would feel sorry for her or defend her. She is an abhorrent,disgusting creature that , for financial gain and attention, lied about being raped and sexually assaulted by 15 men one of who was jailed for a long time whilst completely innocent and NO virgin he was not found guilty of another rape, it was the same case, he was her first victim.

To anyone feeling bad for her, Imagine someone like her accuses your DS or DH etc. Just how horrific that would be.She should be sent to jail for a lot longer. All the women who have genuinely been raped and sexually assaulted are set back by scum like this. She should rot in there.

My first thought was that she must be mentally ill, but reading the details of the case the prosecution said she knew exactly what she was doing.

They read an impact statement from the first victim and he very much was deeply affected by what happened.

What this woman did was deeply wrong and the men falsey accused absolutely are victims.